Originally Posted by 99NvrLosez

 

Originally Posted by pokerbrat13

 

Originally Posted by ch0ppy

"Hypothetical situation":

Tournament: Wednesday 250k $320

Your chips: 4000

Blinds: 50/100

It folds to the HJ who makes it 300 to go with 2800 back.

You are on the button and look down at 88

What do you do and why?

Ahhh yes. I made the infamous open fold of 88 in this spot a few weeks ago in Vegas to the uproar of laughter from Ch0ppy and imalucsac. I wouldn't do it again.

To be fair though, my mind was pretty fried at the time. Cheers to hospitality.

I had more like 3700. Obv I made a bad fold here. I hadn't seen the guy play a hand in forever and I didn't like having to flat a definte flop bet on a good looking board for my hand when im expecting him to show up with a strong hand (even non-paired because he'll end up with a free turn card cause I'm not confident to reraise dry boards. and maybe free river)

The structure for the tournament was so good that I didn't want put myself in the 25-30 bb point and the stack in the bb had about 23 blinds and he'd been semi active. Bad fold!

Believe me, there is wayyy worse hands I've played this very day. It woudln't even take long to find a HH.

im such a nit cuz i play the hand like pokerbrat did too for same exact reasoning

few questions...

1. how often do you play normally?
2. are you a "grind it out through downswings" person or do you take breaks?
3. are you backed?
4. where do you live? - if you could choose one place in world to live where would it be?
5. wug thoughts on my game, if any?

edit: lol @ seabeast

1. I couldn't tell you how much I play normally because I've been in school full time for a long time. I would sign up for the 100r and sneak out of class early to make it like every day. I'd bend any time I could to grind 4 days a week and go to classes 4 days a week...the math doesn't work well. These days I kinda just play around my social plans and Sunday. I NEVER miss Sunday.

2. I used to be a grind through downswings guy, but now I'm definitely a take a break guy. Anyone who thinks they can purely overcome all tilt in huge downswings is often deluding themselves. I've decided to stop.

3. Not backed. Play off only my own dollar.

4. I live in greater Toronto Ontario area. I have no idea where I would want to live. I've been thinking about this for months. My good friend Kid_brohiem is moving to New Zeland, I considered moving there. I'm going to be traveling a lot in the near future but I really have no clue where I'd want to live. Hopefully I can figure that out in the next couple months. Any suggestions?

5. No thoughts off the top of my head. I'm pretty terrible at remembering players' tendencies without notes.

Thanks for doing this - great well.

Your earlier comment about titan poker - were you kidding?

I've just started playing some MTTs there because I had heard it is way soft?

 

Originally Posted by thearthurdog

Thanks for doing this - great well.

Your earlier comment about titan poker - were you kidding?

I've just started playing some MTTs there because I had heard it is way soft?

I was just kidding. Titan poker has ridiculously soft mtts. Anyone who can play on there probably should.

Great read so far. Lots of nice tips for a small timer from Iowa. Very cool!

1. What's your take on everyone trying to build a bankroll from nothing? How would you go about doing it?

2. How much impact have these wells had on you personaly ? What do you think of poker forums and training sites in general?

3. Would you recommend smaller lesser known sites for grinding a roll or one of the marjor sites?

This might be the best well I've read in a very long time! It's because you actually answer IMPORTANT questions! Thank you!

Great well doood. Hypothetical (for you anywway). Biggest score is 2kish, you make it to the final table of the $24+2 25k gtd, where first is 6.5k. Sitting 3/7 w/ 26bb. Blinds at 10k/20k. Dealt AQd UTG, make it 49,990. Bigstack flats outta bb. Flop comes Qh8h3d. Bigstack checks . . . do u ever, in a million years, check behind??????? Ok obv no, lets say u cbet and get flatted, turn is a Kd, giving us nut flush draw. Checked to us again, we fire smallish bet into pot, and get checkraised ????????? what do you do on turn 1) if you are gross/stupid enough to check behind flop (which i did), or even if you cbet and get flatted... thanks man. edit: villian had been fairly active, but was also a losing player.

 

Originally Posted by POKER_PANDA

Great well doood. Hypothetical (for you anywway). Biggest score is 2kish, you make it to the final table of the $24+2 25k gtd, where first is 6.5k. Sitting 3/7 w/ 26bb. Blinds at 10k/20k. Dealt AQd UTG, make it 49,990. Bigstack flats outta bb. Flop comes Qh8h3d. Bigstack checks . . . do u ever, in a million years, check behind??????? Ok obv no, lets say u cbet and get flatted, turn is a Kd, giving us nut flush draw. Checked to us again, we fire smallish bet into pot, and get checkraised ????????? what do you do on turn 1) if you are gross/stupid enough to check behind flop (which i did), or even if you cbet and get flatted... thanks man. edit: villian had been fairly active, but was also a losing player.

1. Never check behind! He expects you to bet. Many turns complete gutter balls. But if I do check the flop (NEVER!) then I gotta check behind the turn too. once a king rolls off and you bet, you only get action from a king, weaker queen, a draw or a bluff (which puts you in a tough spot with a hand that can improve!). Weaker queen being the only one you wanna keep in. Sure the draw can get there, but you also got diamonds. Could cooler someone's face off.

If he checks the river too, I make a strong value bet. but once again I bet the flop 100% of the time.

Standard play:
Bet flop a little under half-pot (I always c-bet this amount anyway)
If raised, move all in. Obv.
If flatted after flop bet, Ship all in on turn. pretty much standard. Bet folding such a good turn card would be ridiculous.

1. Did you ever go through the online poker is rigged/ these players are so frickin horrible phase.

2. When you started showing a profit in poker, what were you playing.

How much success did you have in low buy in mtts ($11 or less) with a decent field size, (>500, non rebuy) and would you say that is hard to be profitable in these given the luck factor.

3. A lot of players post questions on P5's about moving up in stakes in mtts. The usual response is if you can't beat the bad players in the low stakes why would you think you can beat the better players at the mid level. I agree with this but only to a point as it's possible a player may think they are better than they are and is in for a rude awakening if they bump up. On the other hand, I believe that because the low stakes are so donk infested and the fields often very large relative to mid and higher stakes that you have to actually run better and as well, any advanced plays you may have learned will be for the most part useless against non thinking players. Showing a consistent profit over the long run may be very difficult because winning becomes more dependent on getting cards and having them hold up as opposed to outplaying your opponents preflop and post. IMO in the mid stakes, although they will have more decent players they also will have a nice mix of bad players you can stack and average players that can outplay because they arey too tight and may only have one gear.

Do you agree with this at all and would you recommend a player moving up in stakes if they, a) have made at least some final tables with top 3 finishes and had some very deep runs and have shown some promise but are not quite above the break even point; b) have made enough money in cash games/sngs/ to be able to afford the leap or have means outside of poker to fund the higher buy ins; c); they have read a lot of material and studied videos etc.

I'm of the opinion that new players should play low stakes cash games and sngs to make money and only play mtts for fun and experience. As they learn the game and their roll increases they should bump up in stakes in cash games and start playing mtsngs but the large field MTTs are to much of a crap shoot to

 

Originally Posted by damnstraight

1. Did you ever go through the online poker is rigged/ these players are so frickin horrible phase.

2. When you started showing a profit in poker, what were you playing.

How much success did you have in low buy in mtts ($11 or less) with a decent field size, (>500, non rebuy) and would you say that is hard to be profitable in these given the luck factor.

3. A lot of players post questions on P5's about moving up in stakes in mtts. The usual response is if you can't beat the bad players in the low stakes why would you think you can beat the better players at the mid level. I agree with this but only to a point as it's possible a player may think they are better than they are and is in for a rude awakening if they bump up. On the other hand, I believe that because the low stakes are so donk infested and the fields often very large relative to mid and higher stakes that you have to actually run better and as well, any advanced plays you may have learned will be for the most part useless against non thinking players. Showing a consistent profit over the long run may be very difficult because winning becomes more dependent on getting cards and having them hold up as opposed to outplaying your opponents preflop and post. IMO in the mid stakes, although they will have more decent players they also will have a nice mix of bad players you can stack and average players that can outplay because they arey too tight and may only have one gear.

Do you agree with this at all and would you recommend a player moving up in stakes if they, a) have made at least some final tables with top 3 finishes and had some very deep runs and have shown some promise but are not quite above the break even point; b) have made enough money in cash games/sngs/ to be able to afford the leap or have means outside of poker to fund the higher buy ins; c); they have read a lot of material and studied videos etc.

I'm of the opinion that new players should play low stakes cash games and sngs to make money and only play mtts for fun and experience. As they learn the game and their roll increases they should bump up in stakes in cash games and start playing mtsngs but the large field MTTs are to much of a crap shoot to

1. Yes. When I was first started playing online 1/2 on truepoker.com. There was a couple months I ran so terrible I thought it was rigged. Smashed some shit.

2. I was shwoing profit off truepoker in numbers that were huge to me for high school. For mtts, it was when I just grinded 180 mans on stars. I really learned my fundemntal mtt stradegy from those.

3. Those fields of over 500 are rly hard to overcome because of variance. Just play 180 mans. Its essentially the same play with much lower variance. Doesn't mean ur not ready but until you've won several tournaments at any stake you probably shoudln't move up. Crush 180s, then move. BR doens't rly matter if you don't know how to close. Neither does anything you've read.

What was your worst poker moment and how did you cope with it?



If you were to pick 1 insight that has helped you the most what do you think that was? (Does not have to be poker related)

If you had $25million would you still play poker seriously?

What is your favorite movie?

How do you proceed here and why? What are your river plans based on your various turn actions or if you bet and he shoves? Assuming little histor besides both of us vaguely knowing eachothers online names.

pokerstars Game #30919320603: Tournament #180537584, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (750/1500) - 2009/07/26 21:45:28 ET
Table '180537584 11' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: SLOPPYKLOD (108480 in chips)
Seat 3: maxpudim (71701 in chips)
Seat 4: ImaLucSac (120839 in chips)
Seat 5: TrickyX (19005 in chips)
Seat 6: phinomenon (95185 in chips)
Seat 7: utreg (76009 in chips)
Seat 8: Try__An__Hit (43621 in chips)
Seat 9: repiax (74994 in chips)
SLOPPYKLOD: posts the ante 150
maxpudim: posts the ante 150
ImaLucSac: posts the ante 150
TrickyX: posts the ante 150
phinomenon: posts the ante 150
utreg: posts the ante 150
Try__An__Hit: posts the ante 150
repiax: posts the ante 150
utreg: posts small blind 750
Try__An__Hit: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ImaLucSac [Ac Ad]
repiax: folds
SLOPPYKLOD: raises 2275 to 3775
maxpudim: folds
ImaLucSac: raises 6875 to 10650
TrickyX: folds
phinomenon: folds
utreg: folds
Try__An__Hit: folds
SLOPPYKLOD: calls 6875
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4h 7s]
SLOPPYKLOD: checks
ImaLucSac: bets 14350
SLOPPYKLOD: calls 14350
*** TURN *** [Qd 4h 7s] [Js]
SLOPPYKLOD: checks

 

Originally Posted by ImaLucSac

What was your worst poker moment and how did you cope with it?

If you were to pick 1 insight that has helped you the most what do you think that was? (Does not have to be poker related)

If you had $25million would you still play poker seriously?

What is your favorite movie?

How do you proceed here and why? What are your river plans based on your various turn actions or if you bet and he shoves? Assuming little histor besides both of us vaguely knowing eachothers online names.

pokerstars Game #30919320603: Tournament #180537584, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (750/1500) - 2009/07/26 21:45:28 ET
Table '180537584 11' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: SLOPPYKLOD (108480 in chips)
Seat 3: maxpudim (71701 in chips)
Seat 4: ImaLucSac (120839 in chips)
Seat 5: TrickyX (19005 in chips)
Seat 6: phinomenon (95185 in chips)
Seat 7: utreg (76009 in chips)
Seat 8: Try__An__Hit (43621 in chips)
Seat 9: repiax (74994 in chips)
SLOPPYKLOD: posts the ante 150
maxpudim: posts the ante 150
ImaLucSac: posts the ante 150
TrickyX: posts the ante 150
phinomenon: posts the ante 150
utreg: posts the ante 150
Try__An__Hit: posts the ante 150
repiax: posts the ante 150
utreg: posts small blind 750
Try__An__Hit: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ImaLucSac [Ac Ad]
repiax: folds
SLOPPYKLOD: raises 2275 to 3775
maxpudim: folds
ImaLucSac: raises 6875 to 10650
TrickyX: folds
phinomenon: folds
utreg: folds
Try__An__Hit: folds
SLOPPYKLOD: calls 6875
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4h 7s]
SLOPPYKLOD: checks
ImaLucSac: bets 14350
SLOPPYKLOD: calls 14350
*** TURN *** [Qd 4h 7s] [Js]
SLOPPYKLOD: checks

1. My worst poker moment was definitely one of the many times I played over my roll in cash games early on. I'd spend 40 hours a week grinding 1/2 (during full time school..) and be pleased to be up a couple thousand bucks. However, I'd become stubborn and move up to 2/4 in lose 1500-2000 in a day which was like 25% of my BR. Worst moment was seeing I was just as degenerate as the rest and not smarter as I had originally thought. Getting crushed in Vegas 08 was pretty brutal though, wanted to quit poker just before too.

3. The most helpful insight I've ever received was something in the light of "Can't change the past. It's over. so stop worrying about it. You can only change the future." helps with both poker and life because regret is the most useless of emotions.

4. If I had 25 million I wouldn't play seriously, but it would be awesome to play all the big 10ks and test myself on big tournament stages. Poker will always be a hobby in my life im sure.

5. I can never answer this. But I'll throw up some of my favorites in different categories. Drama - The Shawshank Redemption. Action - Face/Off. Comedy (dark) - Very Bad Things. TV Series - The Wire. Most Watched - Pulp Fiction. Stoner watch - The Mighty Ducks trilogy (ANY).

6. I can see why you posted this hand. Very difficult stack size to play. I would think you are much better than me in deep stack scenarios like this. AA is ahead of everything but a set here. queen jack is 2 pair but with the action pre we assume that isn't in his range. It's a sick thing to say, but if you bet the turn here and he moves in, can he do it with anything less than a set? Only hand he might consider is AQ or KQ. Aq being extremely unlikely because you have AA and kq beign an unliekly holding and it would be a riduclous hadn to come back over the top with.

So we are left with him holding on a reraise what is most likely a pocket pair, maybe high suited connectors of some kind. Ur either way in front or way behind. I can see an arguement for bet-calling here but im gonna check behind for 2 reasons and I play rly weird in these spots so feel free to berate.

I dont see sloppy reraising on a bluff and I don't see any hand he can have in this spot which he just flat calls thinking hes ahead. Pot control with such a big equity stack. Yes he gets a free card but I don't see THAT much fear in letting a river roll off. Biggest fear being he's holding some weird sutied connector. If you bet, kq probably goes into the muck i think.. checking will be confusing to him and maybe give off the sense you missed on ak. Only thing that worries me is if he has KK exactly and you cou get it in. either than that i tihnk a check.

if he is holding just a pocket pair which hasn't made a set, if u check the turn u can get river value if he checks to u on most rivers or if he leads out with a weaker holding. a "careful" river bet if checked to on river, something less than half pot. You pretty much cant reraise a river bet, but who cares, hes gonna fold with worse anyway. I suppose there is a small chance he's backwards floating and maybe some bluff value there, unlikely though.

results!?

 

Originally Posted by SigmaBetaRho

My friend is a professional poker player ever since he shipped a WSOP Event for over 500K in 2007.

Before he shipped the win, he was ranked top 20 in Any Game, Single Table 9-10 seated Total profit in 2007 and now he is still crushing

1. What is the best way to elicit and learn from his gift? We discuss hands all the time and rarely argue about what the most +EV play is. Is there a better way to learn than just by discussing hands?

2. I currently bank in SNG's so is it even worth it to switching to MTT's or should I do both? What do you think will be the most difficult transition for me?

3. He invited me to the WSOP several times and I think I will def give it a shot next year. Any advice on what to play and what to avoid? What games for someone who never played a live event before? Bankroll will be will not be sufficient for anything greater than 2k.

Thanks in advice and sorry if the questions are all over the place.

1. I dont know how to help you with your friend. Be more agg in talking about hands and discussing options. Maybe find ppl who are less experienced and more hungry to learn. Discussing hands is the best learning tool. You can do that or lose more money figuring out something my buddy could ahve told me.

2.I've never grinded sit and gos so I can't rly comment. I assume it would be a really hard transition but I'm not the right person to ask this.

3. If I were you I'd stay away from all wsop events and test ur live game playing 300-500 dolalr buy in tournaments at the venetian when they run the deep stack extravaganza. More value, smaller fields. Single table satilites at the WSOP are great and the run at many different buy ins. They are 1 table sngs and would prolly be good for you.