Pretty standard $10 rebuy table, my image is pretty active, and no special reads on the villian... 20 places away from money bubble or so...I had no idea whether to shove or just fold preflop? any advice with reasoning appreciated...

pokerstars Game #22197379666: Tournament #120442908, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (1000/2000) - 2008/11/20 1:24:45 ET
Table '120442908 88' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: guvnuh (10450 in chips)
Seat 2: *RaiseEyeZ! (27079 in chips)
Seat 3: igoturchips4 (21943 in chips)
Seat 4: YahWah (11373 in chips)
Seat 5: sstriker300 (16015 in chips)
Seat 6: Roswell (4484 in chips)
Seat 7: pier310338 (13150 in chips)
Seat 8: ChRiSgHiE (44040 in chips)
Seat 9: rhipidistian (69558 in chips)
guvnuh: posts the ante 250
*RaiseEyeZ!: posts the ante 250
igoturchips4: posts the ante 250
YahWah: posts the ante 250
sstriker300: posts the ante 250
Roswell: posts the ante 250
pier310338: posts the ante 250
ChRiSgHiE: posts the ante 250
rhipidistian: posts the ante 250
ChRiSgHiE: posts small blind 1000
rhipidistian: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to igoturchips4 [8h 8s]
guvnuh: folds
*RaiseEyeZ!: raises 2826 to 4826

Im just gonna lay this down here and wait for better spot to get chips in or steal from LP. Even thought 88 is my fav hand.
edit: sry i didnt see chip stacks, I like a jam here. Most likely he is folding.

 

Originally Posted by 8888kush

edit: sry i didnt see chip stacks, I like a jam here. Most likely he is folding.

Villain with 13 BBs is most likely min-raise/folding UTG+1? I am terrified of his range if he is even moderately competent.

 

Originally Posted by 8888kush

 

Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

 

Originally Posted by 8888kush

edit: sry i didnt see chip stacks, I like a jam here. Most likely he is folding.

Villain with 13 BBs is most likely min-raise/folding UTG+1? I am terrified of his range if he is even moderately competent.

81%+ of people playing this tourny are not

Yeah, I know, but it's usually on the looser side of incompetent. I don't see you getting many folds here. I don't hate a jam, but I'd have to be sitting at the table to decide. If you've seen villain raise/fold in weird spots it's an obvious jam. I say this in theory, but in practice with 10 blinds I am rarely folding 88.

Shipping 88 UTG+2 facing a raise from UTG+1? WOW, this is the easiest fold evah, in the history of easy folds

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

Shipping 88 UTG+2 facing a raise from UTG+1? WOW, this is the easiest fold evah, in the history of easy folds

I agree, after reviewing it i think folding is the best option, i just thought maybe he would lay it down getting close to the money... obv he isn't mucking AA though :(

this spot sux and this is why u can't really let yourself get shorter than 12bbs if you can help it.

I can't fault a shove, but I don't like doing it, mainly because of ur position. Without reads, the min raise means nothing to me. It could be AA and it could be JTo. And if u shove i couldn't care less if he calls or not, really. (obv u want a fold but in reality, with ur stack, it doesn't rly matter).

The hardest thing to know here is if u actually do have FE. In reality you shouldn't. Anything he's raising with here (even JT) should be a call. But this is one thing I'm find in playihgwith donks is that theywill at times raise fold with anything more than 10bbs.

Just make a move before you get so short next time.

this is why i hate poker.. 99 is a shove BUT 88 is a fold. wtffffffffffffff

 

Originally Posted by Frenchy616

Terriable play to be 100% honest. Most people say play big or go home right. But you are 15 spots from making a profit on your investment. Why make such a risky play with a lousy pair of 8s? This is one of the most over rated hands by people in tournys, half the time I fold them preflop without even playing them. Just saying against a big stack you get called her with a hand as bad as K9, JQ, A9 in which he has a ton of outs against your middle pair. Just my advice

How do you know he was close to making a profit? It's a rebuy. He could be in for 15 rebuys....

pretty easy fold here, weird almost min raise UTG+1, 7 people after you to act, the guy who raises doesn't have much chips left, there are better spots than this IMO

i would need a pretty specific read to be able to shove here... just me, theres just no fold eq and u gotta be able to range him right to make 88 a profitable shove here.

I personally think this is a fold. I see where you could argue shoving in this spot considering it's on the bubble, however, there are too many players to act behind you. You do have fold equity I guess, but w/e, fyl.

 

Originally Posted by Xian22

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

Shipping 88 UTG+2 facing a raise from UTG+1? WOW, this is the easiest fold evah, in the history of easy folds

Yer 100+ x's the player I am but how is 88 "the easiest fold evah" when you have just about 10 bb's?

edit: especially in a $10 donkament

I think given that this is "$10 donkament" makes this that much more of an easy fold, with that arguement you're also dealing with the fact that this shov is going to be called far more times than not.. the " hardly competent $10 re buy " players are often not raise folding here.. which means with 88, AT BEST you're racing and at UTG+1 pretty easily dominated.. getting your chips in first is big advantage here as in this tourny if you're looking for folds you're generally going to get them a lot easier when you're first to enter.. this way.. picking up the blinds, or hopefully racing ( but against someone who wasn't already invested and felt they "had to call")

I'd muck 99 and lower, go with TT....I wouldnt even be happy with TT/JJ but mathematically they are correct b/c of the times we get villian to fold