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What to do here....$109 on Pstars

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  1. gerndg gerndg is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 7:54am)

    pokerstars Game #13125820876: Tournament #66049268, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1000/2000) - 2007/11/08 - 22:40:06 (ET)
    Table '66049268 47' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: SirLagsALot (32452 in chips)
    Seat 3: pewterbird03 (37854 in chips)
    Seat 4: Crunk_Ninja (35136 in chips)
    Seat 5: kdouble26 (86669 in chips)
    Seat 6: bearw8 (52691 in chips)
    Seat 7: VonBear (36090 in chips)
    Seat 8: gerndg (77306 in chips)
    SirLagsALot: posts the ante 200
    pewterbird03: posts the ante 200
    Crunk_Ninja: posts the ante 200
    kdouble26: posts the ante 200
    bearw8: posts the ante 200
    VonBear: posts the ante 200
    gerndg: posts the ante 200
    gerndg: posts small blind 1000
    SirLagsALot: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gerndg [Ac Kc]
    pewterbird03: folds
    Crunk_Ninja: folds
    kdouble26: raises 3000 to 5000
    bearw8: folds
    VonBear: folds
    gerndg: raises 15000 to 20000
    SirLagsALot: raises 12252 to 32252 and is all-in
    kdouble26: raises 54217 to 86469 and is all-in
    gerndg:????????????????????????????
     
  2. Neek Neek is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 8:16am) in reply to gerndg

    Yikes.

    I think you're deep enough that you can muck here and go on with 25xBB. Any reads?
     
  3. peldini peldini is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 8:23am) in reply to gerndg

    easy fold. I'm sure one of them has you beat. regardless, you dont need to jeopardize your stack.
  4. MaitreD MaitreD is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 8:24am) in reply to gerndg

    Yeah, dude . . . I think this is one of the places where I am willing to lay AK down. While there is going to be a sizeable sidepot if you call, juding by the reraise and rereraise, you have to be behind here. SirLagsAlot shoved even with little to no fold equity, and kdouble shoved over the top. While it is possible he is trying to isolate with something as weak as 1010 or JJ, I think it unlikely. Chances are he has one of the two hands you really don't want to see.
    Even though you are getting better than 2.5 to 1 on your money, this still seems like a fold to me.
  5. gerndg gerndg is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 8:52am) in reply to MaitreD

    No, no reads...been sitting with these guys for 2 orbits max.
     
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  6. areaman areaman is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 8:54am) in reply to gerndg

    the 4th raise is almost always aces.
  7. Tbl_Captain Tbl_Captain is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 9:31am) in reply to gerndg

    Fold. you are never in a good spot here, save your still pretty good sized stack.
  8. LesW LesW is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:12am) in reply to Tbl_Captain

    2 big questions:
    How many are left? What does this pot mean to your chances of winning the whole thing or being able to accumulate tons of chips without a showdown for a long time?

    Assuming by stack that the initial raiser has been fairly active and assuming he is of equal skill, and seeing as the AI player is not even able to min raise his all in here the IR represents a weak to medium strength hand. Now some very good players will do this against thinking opponents at this level to trap. Judging by the previous action this isn't the case, unless he is pretty gifted and would be able to switch gears mid hand. So chances are he knows he can get you to fold Everything below QQ and Aks 95% of the time. And since he is already commited to the main pot, and can pick up some dead money as well his range is almost any two he feels comfortable raising with in EP as the Big stack which is a pretty wide range depending on the tightness or aggression level of the table.

    Call 2:3 times - not that you will win even though you are ahead, but i think it is correct to call at least 1:3 times in this spot, I am a bit loose so I would call 2:3.

    The key is the sidepot, which I think is goint to be 80k++

    Edit: I see that the SS couldn't min raise your reraise. In which case CL may be trying to pick up your dead money and isolate I put him on TT-QQ or AQs++. I would still think 1:3 calls are correct, and would lower my rate to about 1:2 instead of 2:3 from above, as his hand may be legitamate even as over active big stack assuming you are both of equal skill.

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  9. KMan1564 KMan1564 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:13am) in reply to LesW

    The majority of people don't shove on this action with AK not crushed.
  10. LesW LesW is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:22am) in reply to KMan1564

    I agree

    edit: wrong odds With the side pot at 40K you can call 22-QQ.

    Looking over it again this is a very very tough spot. I would need more info before I can really call it if I were the Hero. I basically am Assuming I am crushed by SS or in a tight flip, and the Big Stack is what I am worried about. His image is important, because it would let me know where I am - also ATs+ looks like kings to some people deep in a tourney. With that being said, I would be more inclined to take this chance here because I am not able to outplay the field with certainty, and I would need chips wherever I can pick them up in especially coinflip situations. Against slightly weaker opponents I can fold here, even if it were a mistake odds-wise, against better opponents I would have to call, which is another dynamic altogether.

    I have to go with my gut here and say this is a call with the odds from the side pot and standard plays. I think AA would reraise less and sometimes just call after the BB pushes because they would want to get you commited going into the flop, so the Big Stack can only have Kings if he is not a trapper and has been somewhat tight. Otherwise insta call for me.
  11. gerndg gerndg is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:43am) in reply to LesW

    There were 23 people left in the tourney. Really have no reads on anybody...might have been at the table for 2 orbits.
     
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  12. Jack_Brown Jack_Brown is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:47am) in reply to gerndg

    I think an easy fold without any reads, hell even with reads....I'm going to get out of there, I think you got the information that you were looking for......and it's not good!
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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:51am) in reply to gerndg

    Are you still time-banking with your finger on the CALL button? Or did you fold that already?
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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 10:59am) in reply to Jack_Brown

    Okay this is a resteal attempt by OP with a top teir hand, somewhat of a "trap" for a LAG player, who understand FE, as the OP should only call an all in with KK++.

    However the BB push helps to mask this and the read on the Big Stack becomes important, as the odds are huge here, results aside it is incorrect to fold 100% of the time. I know about Big Slick, but u have to call at least 25% of the time if CL doesn't have AA. Unless I am so good I can outplay the field with below average chips and possibly going card dead for the next few levels.

    edit: this deep you should push with Aks from the SB, I think he would have called an all in from the IR if the BB folded, the fact that the BB is in the hand is making him second guess the play, when the BB has no FE, so my point is to preceed as planned.
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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 2:05pm) in reply to LesW

    pokerstars Game #13125820876: Tournament #66049268, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1000/2000) - 2007/11/08 - 22:40:06 (ET)
    Table '66049268 47' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: SirLagsALot (32452 in chips)
    Seat 3: pewterbird03 (37854 in chips)
    Seat 4: Crunk_Ninja (35136 in chips)
    Seat 5: kdouble26 (86669 in chips)
    Seat 6: bearw8 (52691 in chips)
    Seat 7: VonBear (36090 in chips)
    Seat 8: gerndg (77306 in chips)
    SirLagsALot: posts the ante 200
    pewterbird03: posts the ante 200
    Crunk_Ninja: posts the ante 200
    kdouble26: posts the ante 200
    bearw8: posts the ante 200
    VonBear: posts the ante 200
    gerndg: posts the ante 200
    gerndg: posts small blind 1000
    SirLagsALot: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gerndg [Ac Kc]
    pewterbird03: folds
    Crunk_Ninja: folds
    kdouble26: raises 3000 to 5000
    bearw8: folds
    VonBear: folds
    gerndg: raises 15000 to 20000
    SirLagsALot: raises 12252 to 32252 and is all-in
    kdouble26: raises 54217 to 86469 and is all-in
    gerndg: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 6d Jh]
    *** TURN *** [Qc 6d Jh] [7h]
    *** RIVER *** [Qc 6d Jh 7h] [9c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    SirLagsALot: shows [4h 4d] (a pair of Fours)
    kdouble26: shows [Qh Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)
    kdouble26 collected 85904 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 85904 | Rake 0
    Board [Qc 6d Jh 7h 9c]
    Seat 1: SirLagsALot (big blind) showed [4h 4d] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 3: pewterbird03 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Crunk_Ninja folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kdouble26 showed [Qh Qs] and won (85904) with three of a kind, Queens
    Seat 6: bearw8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: VonBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: gerndg (small blind) folded before Flop
     
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  16. LesW LesW is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 2:25pm) in reply to gerndg

    So, results aside do you think you made the right play?

    I still call 25% of the time there (conservatively)

    being that I am getting 2:1

    "Edit: I see that the SS couldn't min raise your reraise. In which case CL may be trying to pick up your dead money and isolate I put him on TT-QQ or AQs++. I would still think 1:3 calls are correct, and would lower my rate to about 1:2 instead of 2:3 from above, as his hand may be legitamate even as over active big stack assuming you are both of equal skill."

    Good read me FWIW
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    Nov 9th, 2007 (11/9/2007 2:38pm) in reply to LesW

    i dont think you can put lagsalot of a pp that low
     
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