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  1. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 4:03pm)

    pokerstars Game #58203240742: Tournament #366081220, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/02/24 10:53:28 ET
    Table '366081220 13' 8-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: TheBlueduck0 (4473 in chips)
    Seat 2: bighaley21 (5965 in chips)
    Seat 3: Namdogger (2117 in chips)
    Seat 4: katie75013 (3498 in chips)
    Seat 5: pitzi11 (13286 in chips)
    Seat 6: MissDeventer (906 in chips)
    Seat 7: Malés (1365 in chips)
    Seat 8: janvellie (12355 in chips)
    TheBlueduck0: posts the ante 15
    bighaley21: posts the ante 15
    Namdogger: posts the ante 15
    katie75013: posts the ante 15
    pitzi11: posts the ante 15
    MissDeventer: posts the ante 15
    Malés: posts the ante 15
    janvellie: posts the ante 15
    Namdogger: posts small blind 60
    katie75013: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bighaley21 [As Qh]
    pitzi11: raises 120 to 240
    MissDeventer: folds
    Malés: folds
    janvellie: raises 360 to 600
    TheBlueduck0: folds
    bighaley21: calls 600
    Namdogger: folds
    katie75013: folds
    pitzi11: calls 360
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 5c Jc]
    pitzi11: checks
    janvellie: bets 720
    bighaley21: ???

    Both villains were pretty spewy and overplayed a lot of hands. Janvellie just double up calling off his stack on the flop drawing only to a K high flush draw..
  2. ImaBustYou ImaBustYou is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 4:23pm) in reply to bighaley21

    With your read I am not folding here. I flat the 720 flop bet. bet any non c turn if checked to or raise/c villains turn bet. Flatting his turn bet seems fine too depending on sizing or you might be able to shove. But the your shove for value will shut down all of his air when he may 3 barrell you on river. If pitzi ever comes over the top, just get it in with your read of him-

    top pair 2nd top kicker is a good hand vs two spewy players- get value from your hand
  3. L3goH3ad L3goH3ad is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 4:26pm) in reply to ImaBustYou

    Before i read about how spewy the 2 villains were, i was gonna say that i definitely wouldn't have cold called the 600 and save myself a decision like this on the flop. Interested to know what better players think ...
  4. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 6:26pm) in reply to L3goH3ad

    pokerstars Game #58203240742: Tournament #366081220, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/02/24 10:53:28 ET
    Table '366081220 13' 8-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: TheBlueduck0 (4473 in chips)
    Seat 2: bighaley21 (5965 in chips)
    Seat 3: Namdogger (2117 in chips)
    Seat 4: katie75013 (3498 in chips)
    Seat 5: pitzi11 (13286 in chips)
    Seat 6: MissDeventer (906 in chips)
    Seat 7: Malés (1365 in chips)
    Seat 8: janvellie (12355 in chips)
    TheBlueduck0: posts the ante 15
    bighaley21: posts the ante 15
    Namdogger: posts the ante 15
    katie75013: posts the ante 15
    pitzi11: posts the ante 15
    MissDeventer: posts the ante 15
    Malés: posts the ante 15
    janvellie: posts the ante 15
    Namdogger: posts small blind 60
    katie75013: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bighaley21 [As Qh]
    pitzi11: raises 120 to 240
    MissDeventer: folds
    Malés: folds
    janvellie: raises 360 to 600
    TheBlueduck0: folds
    bighaley21: calls 600
    Namdogger: folds
    katie75013: folds
    pitzi11: calls 360
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 5c Jc]
    pitzi11: checks
    janvellie: bets 720
    bighaley21: calls 720
    pitzi11: calls 720
    *** TURN *** [Ad 5c Jc] [Tc]
    pitzi11: checks
    janvellie: checks
    bighaley21: ???
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  5. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 7:32pm) in reply to bighaley21

    Interesting hand.
    Dont dislike your bets to the turn.
    Before giving your read on the two villians, I would have said that your very likely behind on this dangerous board, but the reads widen their hands somewhat!
    Nevertheless theres still a good chance your drawing to a K, and if you hit your not sure to win the hand.
    Another negative is, youve no club.
    Dont think I want put more money into the hand, so check the turn & review the river.
  6. sirjwab sirjwab is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 11:05pm) in reply to rayfox111

    Fold pre?
  7. animallovinhick animallovinhick is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 11:10pm) in reply to sirjwab

    I am probably folding pre, since it is still early. I might raise pre and fold to a raise, then we don't have this problem. As played, I am reraising the flop, and folding to a bet. Again as played, on the turn I am checking and hoping to check down the river.
    Edited By: animallovinhick Feb 25th, 2011 at 01:24 AM
    Reason: err didn't realize Limit
  8. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 11:13pm) in reply to sirjwab

    Flat flop. Check behind turn. Read betsizing on river but most likely fold to any bet.

     
    Originally Posted by sirjwab View Post

    Fold pre?

    I think pre-flop is very close, and I probably fold pre- more than I flat pre-, but it is dependent on table dynamics and with stacks I don't think it is a real leak either way.
     
  9. Sdanby Sdanby is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 11:28pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    i fold pre
  10. sirjwab sirjwab is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2011 (2/24/2011 11:37pm) in reply to s.l. halper

     
    Originally Posted by s.l. halper View Post

    Flat flop. Check behind turn. Read betsizing on river but most likely fold to any bet.

    I think pre-flop is very close, and I probably fold pre- more than I flat pre-, but it is dependent on table dynamics and with stacks I don't think it is a real leak either way.

    I just dont think AQo is very far ahead of a raise and 3bet pre. Usually you are flipping with one and either dominated or sharing cards with the other guy. I dont like flatting AQo to a 3bet pre with no plan on what to do when you hit your A. I mean you called 600 pre, flopped your A (still have no idea where you are at), then you flat the flop for another 720 (still no idea where you are at and now have to worry about a straight, flush, 2 pair all getting there). Everything got there on the turn, I like a check more than a bet here.
  11. jimmywhitey jimmywhitey is offline

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 12:09am) in reply to sirjwab

    Id raise or fold pre.
  12. TheBulldog3 TheBulldog3 is offline

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 12:19am) in reply to jimmywhitey

    I usually fold pre, but as played flat the flop, check back the turrn and hope to get to a cheap showdown.
  13. ehumes06 ehumes06 is offline

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    Feb 25th, 2011 (2/25/2011 12:54am) in reply to TheBulldog3

    4 bet to 1400... call shove with your reads
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