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  1. NightPrince NightPrince is offline Disabled account

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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 8:41am)

    http://www.pokerlistings.com/blog/ws...cant-kill-phil
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 8:45am) in reply to NightPrince

    I think I deserve the last 5 minutes of my life back. That was retarded, did the writer basically call Phil Ivey weak/tight toward the end?
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 8:53am) in reply to jtown1010

    good sample size too on showing how ineffective the aggression factor is. Whoever this Jon Turner fellow is, is clearly a donk he couldnt even make it to day 3 of this one given tournament.
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 8:55am) in reply to Admiral

    How about all the under 21 year olds that undeservedly got a lot of money from online poker.....yeah F them!!!!

    Blair Rodman and Lee Nelson preach the steaming, raising, bully style in their book dubbed Kill Phil. Perfect title as it's a strategy for Hold'em players designed to crack the Phil Ivey, Phil Gordon, Phil Hellmuth "play the nuts" and "grind it out" approach to tournament poker.

    Rodman and Nelson advise taking the damn the torpedoes pre-flop approach to avoid being drawn out on flops by limpers and small bet calling stations. Hellmuth, however, dances to the beat of a different drummer.

    I can't think of a bigger insult to Phil Ivey's game than to be mentioned alongside Phil's Gordon and Helmuth.
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 8:57am) in reply to jtown1010

    haha I'll give Hellmuth his credit, he can play tournaments. Im not going to make any predictions but I would be willing to bet that Ivey's Lifetime winnings are astronamically higher than Hellmuth's. I wont even mention Gordan other than he is an amatuer, layman's terms joke.
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 9:00am) in reply to jtown1010

    Excellent read. Weak/Tight is not necessarily a negative thing, especially in live tourneys where you can't just shrug it off and open up another table. It seems that the extreme LAG strategy that the kiddies seem to favor online doesn't translate perfectly to live play. The all-in play works every time except the last. Just a nits opinion.
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 9:04am) in reply to computerb

    I disagree completely, you say winning players should abandon a winning strategy because a tournament doesnt start every hour? That makes zero sense, and Hellmuth is the exception as one of very very few tight players that will be able to win tournaments with regularity.
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    Jun 14th, 2007 (6/14/2007 9:04am) in reply to computerb

    Well it's a lot easier to play looser if you wait untill you have a very strong hand to go all in with, keping the pots smaller when you are stealing, and bigger when you have a hand.

    I think it shows how knowledgeable the writer is about poker the way he paints all aggro's as "shove all in Kill Phil" deciples, most of the better LAGs don't play like that at all.
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