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  1. elfleader elfleader is offline

    Saint Paul, MN
    United States

    Posts: 194
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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 4:34am)

    <TABLE class=info cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=headings><TH>Player</TH><TH>Action</TH><TH>Action Data</TH><TH>Timestamp</TH></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Set dealer/Bring in spot </TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>weblex </TD><TD>Ante/Small blind </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Big blind/Bring in </TD><TD>$ 20.00 </TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>weblex </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD>Q A </TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>URNOTGOOD </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>kilainstinkt </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Poker907 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>dankness3 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:36:41 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>URNOTGOOD </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:36:50 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>kilainstinkt </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:36:50 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Poker907 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:36:51 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 80.00 </TD><TD>19:36:53 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>dankness3 </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 80.00 </TD><TD>19:36:58 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:37:01 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 80.00 </TD><TD>19:37:03 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>weblex </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:37:04 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 60.00 </TD><TD>19:37:07 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $330.00 </TD><TD>19:37:07 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>10 7 Q </TD><TD>19:37:07 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Check </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:37:09 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Bet </TD><TD>$ 220.00 </TD><TD>19:37:11 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>dankness3 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:37:11 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:37:19 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 650.00 </TD><TD>19:37:26 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 430.00 </TD><TD>19:37:44 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $1,630.00 </TD><TD>19:37:44 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>3 </TD><TD>19:37:44 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Ok i am out of position here and wondering what to do with his smooth call on the flop... I am somewhat new to this table with no specific read on any of the players and im pretty sure they dont have one on me. I have about 1150 dollars left

    also.. for this next hand is it just an easy allin move for me right then and there or should i smooth call and let him put the rest in on the turn or dare i say... fold?? I started with $2,758.00 at the start of this hand and my opponent has about 2200 to start off

    <TABLE class=info cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=padding><TH align=left>Structure</TH><TD>NL</TD></TR><TR class=padding><TH vAlign=top align=left>Table Stakes</TH><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=290 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH align=left>Min Bet</TH><TH align=left>Max Bet</TH><TH align=left>Ante</TH><TH align=left>Blinds</TH></TR><TR><TD>$20.00</TD><TD></TD><TD>$10.00</TD><TD>$20.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TH align=left></H> <TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <H2>Hand Actions</H2> <TABLE class=info cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=headings><TH>Player</TH><TH>Action</TH><TH>Action Data</TH><TH>Timestamp</TH></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Set dealer/Bring in spot </TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>URNOTGOOD </TD><TD>Ante/Small blind </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>kilainstinkt </TD><TD>Big blind/Bring in </TD><TD>$ 20.00 </TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD>????? </TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>weblex </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD>K K </TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>URNOTGOOD </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>kilainstinkt </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Poker907 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>dankness3 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:38:45 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Poker907 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:38:47 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Mr__Blonde </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:38:47 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>dankness3 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:38:49 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 70.00 </TD><TD>19:38:54 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>pointman5 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:38:56 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>weblex </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:38:58 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 240.00 </TD><TD>19:39:06 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>URNOTGOOD </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:39:07 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>kilainstinkt </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 20.00 </TD><TD>19:39:07 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 170.00 </TD><TD>19:39:13 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $510.00 </TD><TD>19:39:13 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>7 5 4 </TD><TD>19:39:13 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Check </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:39:17 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Bet </TD><TD>$ 300.00 </TD><TD>19:39:25 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>bbantnole </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 810.00 </TD><TD>19:39:31 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>??????</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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  2. Ari Ari is offline

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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 4:36am) in reply to elfleader

    check fold? i don't know, but it def. does not appear that u have the best hand
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  3. amlove amlove is offline

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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 4:41am) in reply to Ari

    think if your lucky he has AQ

    after seeing your other bodog HH, you could be ahead here so hard to say
  4. sheets sheets is offline

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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 8:26am) in reply to amlove

    Ok this is definitely why I dont play cash games, and also why I hesitate to get real involved in individual hand analysis on the forums...there is a bias of some kind when a hand is posted that there is something unique about it, a fact which the player at the table does not appreciate in real time when the hand is playing out.

    The fact of the matter ism that ob the first hand, you have AQ on a Q high board and someone either had yo beat or they dont. I mean it is a case whther you are way ahead or way behind. Unless you have a 1000% stone cold read on this opponent, I just cannot find a way where I would fold this hand over the board. There are just too many times wherre he either had nothing or top pair worse kicker or some middle pair for me to be that passive on the turn. Now this doesnt mean I would open push 100k into a 50$ pot or anything, but I would proceed under the assumption that I have the best had, make some very weak lead into the turn, and expect him to reriase with either the worst hand or the best hands, and for me to call whatever money he puts in,

    The KK same deal although even more likely that you are ahead, and yeah i just shove.

    AND I DONT WANNA SEE THAT THE GUY HAD QUADS AND I WAS "WRONG"..i dont know what would have turned out to be right, i just know what i would have done...

    (as i said, perhaps this is why i dont play cash games)

    sheets
     
  5. Lenny Lenny is offline lail henny!

    Nashville, TN
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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 11:02am) in reply to elfleader

    Way to go posting the HHs without results= better responses.
  6. hotdawg555 hotdawg555 is offline

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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 12:07pm) in reply to Lenny

    seriously. if i needed to get teased i would go look for sex in a strip club
  7. Azone Azone is offline

    Paradise Valley, AZ
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    May 24th, 2006 (5/24/2006 12:19pm) in reply to hotdawg555

    AQ is such a loser hand in cash games, I hate playing them-and exactly for the reason on this hand. You played it correctly, no other way to go, but he called, so I am assuming a set. He still could have a number of hands that you have beat, but you pushed and he called, so you assume he is playing with a strong hand that SHOULD BE better then yours.

    On the KK, it depends on who I am playing. With that board, his betting assumes a str8 or a set. If he is a tight player, I would strongly consider folding. If it is a loose or aggressive player I would more then likely get all my money in the middle.

    And if it was Sheets, after watching you in your last vid (MTT) flop a str8 4 or 5 times (cannot recall), I would insta fold!
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