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  1. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:02am)

    Friend wanted me to post this for some advice, no reads.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13805872380: $2 + 0.25 Rebuy (101704661), Table 34 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:21:41 ET - 2009/08/04
    Seat 1: BeatKing02 (9,810)
    Seat 2: XXXXXXX(3,150)
    Seat 3: mlee33 (9,460)
    Seat 4: yamanashi (7,625)
    Seat 6: mespade58 (24,107)
    Seat 7: woody410 (11,970)
    Seat 8: VonV (1,255)
    Seat 9: toolrules11 (11,385)
    yamanashi posts the small blind of 80
    mespade58 posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to XXXXXX [8c 8d]
    woody410 folds
    VonV folds
    toolrules11 calls 160
    BeatKing02 folds
    XXXXXXXX has 15 seconds left to act
    XXXXXXXX has requested TIME
    XXXXXXX ????
  2. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:09am) in reply to LoudNoise

    Raise call a shove
     
  3. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:11am) in reply to LoudNoise

    Is this pre or post rebuy/add on period..

    The answer is still the same. Im all in.. If its pre rebuy period good. Get it in. Double up. If its post add one period. You need some chips to compete.
  4. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:13am) in reply to AFink93

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    Is this pre or post rebuy/add on period..

    The answer is still the same. Im all in.. If its pre rebuy period good. Get it in. Double up. If its post add one period. You need some chips to compete.

    its post rebuy period
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  5. anticure anticure is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:15am) in reply to LoudNoise

    jam
     
  6. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:15am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    Even I know this is pretty terrible. We raise and the limper flats we have a terrible postflop play stack with a terrible postflop play hand.
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  7. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:16am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    id be more inclined to straight shove. i feel like if we raise we dont get shoved on by pairs lower then 77. maybe 77 shoves but thats about it. and we may get shoved on by crap like A 10 and stuff. if we shove we eliminate some hands were racing against uneccessarily.

    ughhh i just saw its a 2$ buy in, so what i said applies to bigger stuff. in this id raise call since bad players LOVE pocket pairs and will gladly shove 22 here.
     
  8. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:17am) in reply to LoudNoise

    ok thats all I needed, thanks all. I told him to shove pre over the limp I just wanted to make sure thats what was optimal.
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  9. byoonz byoonz is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:19am) in reply to LoudNoise

     
    Originally Posted by LoudNoise View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    Even I know this is pretty terrible. We raise and the limper flats we have a terrible postflop play stack with a terrible postflop play hand.

    This. If you raise, the limper or even someone else flats here so often and you'll get fucked on a ton of boards where you'll spew by cbet/folding or giving up postflop altogether.
     
  10. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:33am) in reply to LoudNoise

     
    Originally Posted by LoudNoise View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    Even I know this is pretty terrible. We raise and the limper flats we have a terrible postflop play stack with a terrible postflop play hand.

    definetly not terrible, why wouldnt you want to get flatted, you have a good hand and have posistion and your crushing a random donks flatting range.
     
  11. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:43am) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by LoudNoise View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    Even I know this is pretty terrible. We raise and the limper flats we have a terrible postflop play stack with a terrible postflop play hand.

    definetly not terrible, why wouldnt you want to get flatted, you have a good hand and have posistion and your crushing a random donks flatting range.

    I PM'd this hand to two top p5ers/MTT'ers and they hadnt responded thats why I posted it. But they've both gotten back to me and both said this is 100% a shove and just raising is the worst option.
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  12. Denty Denty is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 2:44am) in reply to byoonz

     
    Originally Posted by byoonz View Post

     
    Originally Posted by LoudNoise View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    Raise call a shove

    Even I know this is pretty terrible. We raise and the limper flats we have a terrible postflop play stack with a terrible postflop play hand.

    This. If you raise, the limper or even someone else flats here so often and you'll get fucked on a ton of boards where you'll spew by cbet/folding or giving up postflop altogether.

    agree with shoving and the logic from the last 2 quotes
     
  13. kcd0g kcd0g is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 3:18am) in reply to LoudNoise

    If it's after rebuy period you're probably in bottom 80% in chip count. I shove this every single time.
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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 3:24am) in reply to kcd0g

    i agree with shoving in this spot as well but saying that raising is horrible is wrong. the only horrible play you can make here is to fold. limping isnt even that bad if you have active players on your left who will raise/squeeze light. shove>raise>limp>>>>>>> fold.
     
  15. Defndrofangels Defndrofangels is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 3:56am) in reply to pikappraider78

    w/out reads I'd shove.
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    Aug 4th, 2009 (8/4/2009 6:58am) in reply to LoudNoise

     
    Originally Posted by LoudNoise View Post

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post


    Is this pre or post rebuy/add on period..

    The answer is still the same. Im all in.. If its pre rebuy period good. Get it in. Double up. If its post add one period. You need some chips to compete.

    its post rebuy period

    Hey LN, and I agree, definitely jamming most of the time here. Or MAYBE raise calling if I think the limper is gonna spazshove but really I almost always just jam this.
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