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What does he have to make this play?

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  1. pearljam1012 pearljam1012 is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2012 (6/17/2012 9:44pm)

    pokerstars Hand #82091447648: Tournament #577020010, $100.00+$7.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2012/06/17 14:27:12 MT [2012/06/17 16:27:12 ET]
    Table '577020010 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: pearljam1012 (14707 in chips)
    Seat 2: aljaslk (23963 in chips)
    Seat 3: Alan033 (6795 in chips)
    Seat 4: inheritance (24370 in chips)
    Seat 5: oldmanricky (26191 in chips)
    Seat 6: mashuk-31 (5945 in chips)
    Seat 7: jomatrix25 (9975 in chips)
    Seat 8: naglia1977 (1325 in chips)
    Seat 9: illwill514 (25246 in chips)
    pearljam1012: posts the ante 25
    aljaslk: posts the ante 25
    Alan033: posts the ante 25
    inheritance: posts the ante 25
    oldmanricky: posts the ante 25
    mashuk-31: posts the ante 25
    jomatrix25: posts the ante 25
    naglia1977: posts the ante 25
    illwill514: posts the ante 25
    oldmanricky: posts small blind 125
    mashuk-31: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pearljam1012 [8d 8h]
    jomatrix25: calls 250
    naglia1977: folds
    illwill514: calls 250
    pearljam1012: raises 1250 to 1500
    aljaslk: folds
    Alan033: folds
    inheritance: folds
    oldmanricky: folds
    mashuk-31: folds
    jomatrix25: calls 1250
    illwill514: raises 9750 to 11250
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    Jun 17th, 2012 (6/17/2012 10:54pm) in reply to pearljam1012

    ATss, 77+
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    Jun 17th, 2012 (6/17/2012 11:04pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    AA or KK most likely. He's already flat called then reraised all in. Looks a lot like second hand low. If it's an aggressive table I would say aces or kings. People do strange things so I could be completely wrong. AK and QQ also in the frame.
    Edited By: TheSquirrel Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:09 PM
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    Jun 17th, 2012 (6/17/2012 11:15pm) in reply to TheSquirrel

    PJ1012 great to see you back here!
     
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    Jun 17th, 2012 (6/17/2012 11:19pm) in reply to Adam

    Thanks Adam :)
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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 12:28am) in reply to pearljam1012

    half price sunday milly.... i think ur 88 are crushed here.
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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 4:25am) in reply to RedIceRap

    A range you're in trouble against. I would say over limp here instead of 6x and bloat a pot you will mostly just be set-mining in. GL
     
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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 5:19am) in reply to cracker9ball

    Y looks like he limped behind the first guy with a big hand hoping to get the scenario he got. I agree that you should have limped as well and not blown the pot up so big. you have position good value to flop big and win a big pot. I would say his range is ak,TT+. Your iso raise also kind of looks weak and bluffy so not sure he gives you much credit in this spot. it's hard to say
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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 10:10am) in reply to tuna_fish_tank

     
    Originally Posted by tuna_fish_tank View Post

    Y looks like he limped behind the first guy with a big hand hoping to get the scenario he got. I agree that you should have limped as well and not blown the pot up so big. you have position good value to flop big and win a big pot. I would say his range is ak,TT+. Your iso raise also kind of looks weak and bluffy so not sure he gives you much credit in this spot. it's hard to say


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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 10:34am) in reply to chrisp200

    What is your table image? Does he have reason to believe you would make this move light? Are there alot of aggressive players to his left? The reason I ask is because it is such a strange line. One thing I can think is that he was worried about the limp by jomatrix25 and has some sort of pair (TT-JJ) hand but when you raise and the action comes back and jomatrix25 just flats he's no longer worried about his hand. Other then that he might have a monster and called the limp hoping to look really weak to induce exactly this type of action and now he wants to narrow the field.
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    Jun 18th, 2012 (6/18/2012 11:31am) in reply to RedIceRap

     
    Originally Posted by RedIceRap View Post

    half price sunday milly.... i think ur 88 are crushed here.

    totally agree 100 % i have seen a lot of fish doing this with AA or KK and occasionally with AK so it's at least a coinflip if you are lucky
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    Jun 19th, 2012 (6/19/2012 12:49am) in reply to Matedog_88

    Well interesting comments. I honestly thought that 99-AA were quite unlikely hands to over limp an UTG limper (just seems like trouble for most big pair hands to limp there and play a 5 way pot if another limper and blinds come in). My image is semi aggressive but I hadn't shown many hands down. I had also raised a few limpers in similar spots a couple of times so his potential to try to squeeze there seemed high. My take on it was that he likely has AK (the speed of his reraise plus I would imagine QQ-AA to reraise a little smaller to give me rope to hang myself). I am worried about JJ or TT type limps.

    I ended up getting it in vs AK and winning the race and the player berated me. Granted I haven't played a ton of MTTs in the last few years, have peoples lines changed that much that overlimping with AA-JJ is common??
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    Jun 19th, 2012 (6/19/2012 12:50am) in reply to Matedog_88

    Oh and jomatrix was limping about 70% of pots and I was punishing him continually...that might have been a factor as well in my decision
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    Jun 19th, 2012 (6/19/2012 1:09am) in reply to pearljam1012

     
    Originally Posted by pearljam1012 View Post

    Well interesting comments. I honestly thought that 99-AA were quite unlikely hands to over limp an UTG limper (just seems like trouble for most big pair hands to limp there and play a 5 way pot if another limper and blinds come in). My image is semi aggressive but I hadn't shown many hands down. I had also raised a few limpers in similar spots a couple of times so his potential to try to squeeze there seemed high. My take on it was that he likely has AK (the speed of his reraise plus I would imagine QQ-AA to reraise a little smaller to give me rope to hang myself). I am worried about JJ or TT type limps.

    I ended up getting it in vs AK and winning the race and the player berated me. Granted I haven't played a ton of MTTs in the last few years, have peoples lines changed that much that overlimping with AA-JJ is common??

    Second hand low is nothing new, it's an old tactic. It's basically slow playing aces relying on a later raise. It is either flat calling the BB or even flat calling an early raise then hoping for a reraise from a player in later position. It can go spectacularly wrong but works a dream at an aggressive table. Obviously aces is the best hand to do it with, but it also works to a lesser extent with KK, QQ, and AK. It was used well before the average player became aware of the squeeze play. To be genuine "second hand low" it probably should be aces. I'm surprised the hand turned out to be AK rather than AA or KK. Usually in that situation you are crushed.
    Edited By: TheSquirrel Jun 19th, 2012 at 01:20 AM
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