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What hands do you value-raise this river vs a good reg?

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  1. swd805 swd805 is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2010 (4/6/2010 9:31pm)

    I know ppl generally dont like these spots where my hand is not included, but this hand isnt too complicated and Id really like to know whats the right range of hands for me to raise for value on the river on this board. Also what type of sizing do you like?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #19851847170: $75,000 Guarantee (147098750), Table 21 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:26:54 ET - 2010/04/05
    Seat 1: NunosussI (2,930), is sitting out
    Seat 2: mikednuts (2,775)
    Seat 3: -1SickDisease- (3,075)
    Seat 4: Jeff1515 (2,040)
    Seat 5: 69JayJay69 (3,240)
    Seat 6: maxen4 (2,955)
    Seat 7: PureProfitFour (3,638)
    Seat 8: swd805 (2,750)
    Seat 9: carbonmonoxide (2,695)
    PureProfitFour posts the small blind of 20
    swd805 posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to swd805 [- -]
    carbonmonoxide folds
    NunosussI folds
    mikednuts folds
    -1SickDisease- folds
    Jeff1515 folds
    69JayJay69 folds
    maxen4 folds
    PureProfitFour raises to 120
    swd805 calls 80
    *** FLOP *** [5h Th 2s]
    PureProfitFour bets 85
    swd805 calls 85
    *** TURN *** [5h Th 2s] [6h]
    PureProfitFour bets 185
    swd805 calls 185
    *** RIVER *** [5h Th 2s 6h] [7s]
    PureProfitFour bets 385
    swd805
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  2. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2010 (4/6/2010 10:34pm) in reply to swd805

    Q high flush or better i raise to 1075.
     
  3. trist23 trist23 is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2010 (4/6/2010 11:11pm) in reply to swd805

    I don't play 162s but I'd say value raise any big flush....I don't know a ton about PP4s game except that hes ridiculously good and everytime i rail this tourney he FTs it and usually ships it....I dunno what hes trying to get 3 streets of value with this early in the tourney but the completed flush card on the turn didnt seem to faze him....It does seem kinda nitty to only value-raise the nuts or close to it in this spot though....I would probably stay outta PP4 and 1sickdisease's way until later on and try to exploit the other players in the meantime....

    Just wondering....would u ever value raise a set here?
     
  4. shallowcal shallowcal is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2010 (4/6/2010 11:20pm) in reply to trist23

    mclean is a real strong solid player. knowing him and his game im saying hes pretty strong here. he usually doesnt get too out of line early. if you have q high flush or morei think you can repop, but i dont see him showing up here with much less than an over pair or set. so i dont necessarily think im repopping a set here on this board with a low flush or straight... and i think im prolly calling with a set, but its a nasty board.
  5. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2010 (4/6/2010 11:30pm) in reply to swd805

    im folding pre most of the time against PPF even when in position at the early stages of the MTT, but obv defending some hands too... i guess u have to value raise QJh, but even that is close, because I doubt hes paying off with worse very often...

    I don't think he has an overpair here often... probably just barreling to try to get all 5-x and T-x hands to fold. I'm def not value raising a set here or the 79h... I think I'd prob up jamming the river with QXh or KXh... I guess u could make it like 1075 and fold to a shove, but that seems pretty exploitable.

    It's tough to get value from a player like PPF, so I try to avoid these types of spots as often as possible, and try to play pots against players who are going to be making big mistakes pre flop and on later streets.
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