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What line do you take here? Early levels, $10 SNG

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  1. Freewill1978 Freewill1978 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 7:24pm)

    pokerstars Game #20259573753: Tournament #107091101, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/08 22:15:43 ET
    Table '107091101 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Freewill1978 (1535 in chips)
    Seat 2: guls11 (1015 in chips)
    Seat 3: chiefs34 (1540 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: mashime (1410 in chips)
    Seat 5: marcob7712 (1465 in chips)
    Seat 6: cawilban (1870 in chips)
    Seat 7: BUCKNASTY00 (1465 in chips)
    Seat 8: MattB5784 (1830 in chips)
    Seat 9: colic (1370 in chips)
    guls11: posts small blind 15
    chiefs34: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Freewill1978 [Ad 7d]
    mashime: folds
    marcob7712: calls 30
    cawilban: folds
    BUCKNASTY00: folds
    MattB5784: folds
    colic: folds
    Freewill1978: calls 30
    guls11: calls 15
    chiefs34: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4d 8s As]
    guls11: checks
    marcob7712: bets 120
    Freewill1978: calls 120
    guls11: calls 120
    *** TURN *** [4d 8s As] [2d]
    guls11: checks
    marcob7712: bets 120
    Freewill1978: ?????

    marcob7712 is a serial limper who has, I'm sure, no clue about things such as position, so I feel my hand at least warrants a call on the button preflop. I figure that on the flop, once again I'm good enough to call and re-evaluate the turn, but maybe a small raise might be in order. (but at this level I'm sure that a raise will only tell me whether he has an Ace or not) Then I pick up the nut-flush draw, and he makes the same sized bet. I think I have a tendency to overplay pair + flush draws that I don't pick up until the turn. His turn bet means he almost certainly has an Ace, which means my Ace is more than likely no good right now. What do you do here?
  2. thegreenmean thegreenmean is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 7:37pm) in reply to Freewill1978

    let it go and pick better spot as way early and he might have set.... the guy is the big fish -31% ROI down 6.7K over 1297 sng's.

    Anyone know his name on Full Tilt so I can look for him?
  3. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 7:38pm) in reply to Freewill1978

    I'd fold pre and fold the flop.

    As played super easy snap call turn. You do have 9 outs to the nuts...5:1 pot odds....pretty simple.
  4. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 8:08pm) in reply to thegreenmean

    ok let me try this.

    your limp pre is pretty horrendous. i fold here about 412% of the time. but if i'm going to play the hand, if the guy has been limping really a lot (it's only 15/30 how much could he really be limping already), then i like a raise from the button. isolate to play against him.

    as played, i actually like a raise on the turn here to get heads up with that guy that lead into you. if you brick your draw on the river, just check back or call down and get to a showdown cheap. i've found that at this level, most of the time when they bet the flop, then bet the same small amount on the turn they have some sort of weak top pair, or second pair hand. i think you rarely run into 2 pair+ here
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  5. catfan17 catfan17 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 8:18pm) in reply to Gags30

    fold pre
  6. dtools22 dtools22 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 8:28pm) in reply to Freewill1978

    Since you asked about as played I'll give this a shot.

    This is an ugly spot. My gut reaction would be to reraise, only problem is a hand better than you is not going away and not really sure you get call by an A that you beat. I would need some kind of read on the player to make a solid play here. I doubt I could fault you either way....

    Enough fence sitting, I shove.
  7. Freewill1978 Freewill1978 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:34pm) in reply to dtools22

    Okay, here's the rest. I did shove.
    Freewill1978: raises 1265 to 1385 and is all-in
    guls11: folds
    marcob7712: calls 1195 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (70) returned to Freewill1978
    *** RIVER *** [4d 8s As 2d] [8c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    marcob7712: shows [Ac 2h] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
    Freewill1978: shows [Ad 7d] (two pair, Aces and Eights - Seven kicker)
    Freewill1978 collected 3110 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3110 | Rake 0
    Board [4d 8s As 2d 8c]
    Seat 1: Freewill1978 (button) showed [Ad 7d] and won (3110) with two pair, Aces and Eights
    Seat 2: guls11 (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 3: chiefs34 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: mashime folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: marcob7712 showed [Ac 2h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
    Seat 6: cawilban folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: BUCKNASTY00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: MattB5784 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: colic folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I'm pretty sure this is way, way non-optimal....shoving where you know you're getting called if you're beat, and are at best 25% to win on the river (or 35% in this case)
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  8. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:29am) in reply to Freewill1978

    In a SNG you really need to conserve chips so I think this is a fold preflop like 98% of the time. As played I'm probably shoving his donk bet on the turn. If he had bet larger I would think a call or even a fold would be best.
     
  9. therickbol therickbol is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:44am) in reply to rivverkiller

    Playing ace-rag, even when suited and even early in tourney is a bad decision for this very reason. All it does is put you in bad spots you dont need to be in. You very, very rarely are going to win a big pot with it and more times than not you are going to lose money when you hit the ace or have a 7-high flop or something. I know you were asking about that specific hand. But you would be better served to fold it in the future preflop. Now, once the blinds are worth stealing and you have built up a good table image you can open in LP with them or something. But early, just muck and wait for the dealer to give you your next cards.
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