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What a terrible terrible terrible terrible call that we can all learn from

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  1. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:10pm)

    I had moved in probably 6 straight hands. There are 2 stacks in hang on mode and the 2nd place stack is in the BB. So, obviously, I move in again, but the 2nd place stack insta calls. I see plenty of awful bubble plays, but this one just made me laugh, especially since it was an insta call.

    pokerstars Game #9508675492: Tournament #48269142, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/04/19 - 20:44:32 (ET)
    Table '48269142 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 3: UCLArounder (9185 in chips)
    Seat 5: sshaggy2773 (555 in chips)
    Seat 7: foldemFedero (3350 in chips)
    Seat 9: doghse (410 in chips)
    UCLArounder: posts the ante 25
    sshaggy2773: posts the ante 25
    foldemFedero: posts the ante 25
    doghse: posts the ante 25
    sshaggy2773: posts small blind 200
    foldemFedero: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to UCLArounder [3c Tc]
    doghse: folds
    sshaggy2773 said, "whatever clown"
    UCLArounder: raises 8760 to 9160 and is all-in
    sshaggy2773: folds
    foldemFedero: calls 2925 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [Jd Ah 6d]
    *** TURN *** [Jd Ah 6d] [4c]
    *** RIVER *** [Jd Ah 6d 4c] [7c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    foldemFedero: shows [Jc Td] (a pair of Jacks)
    UCLArounder: shows [3c Tc] (high card Ace)
    foldemFedero collected 6950 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 6950 | Rake 0
    Board [Jd Ah 6d 4c 7c]
    Seat 3: UCLArounder (button) showed [3c Tc] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 5: sshaggy2773 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: foldemFedero (big blind) showed [Jc Td] and won (6950) with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 9: doghse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. Camz Camz is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:14pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    What a terrible terrible post.

    >>BAD BEATS
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:15pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    ok sir
  4. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:16pm) in reply to Camz

    How is this a bad beat? He had me dominated.
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:21pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    Hey UCLA at these stakes your probally the only one at the table that understands ICM. To him its a great call. But with the stacks at the table is a def -ev call.
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:26pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    Yeah 'should' be an easy fold keyword being should. He should be autofolding AKs here and prob a few better hands
  7. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:26pm) in reply to Ariganello

    I don't really know much about ICM either. I just know he can't call with the two small stacks ready to bust out.
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:27pm) in reply to Camz

    What a terrible terrible post.

    >>BAD BEATS

    Yeah, especially because it was an insta-post.
  9. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:28pm) in reply to ill flu

    I realize that most of the players aren't going to understand how to play a SNG bubble, but I just thought this example was exceptionally bad. I could post other awful bubble plays from today, but none are as bad as this one.
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  10. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:30pm) in reply to GoldenDomer9

    um... ok
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  11. ill flu ill flu is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 9:31pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    Ok I just did the ICM math and he needs KK or AA to make this +$ev even with you shoving any two cards.

    lol so yea J10 is a tad behind the suggested range
  12. CHEVYRIDINHIGH CHEVYRIDINHIGH is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 10:31pm) in reply to ill flu

    worthless post

    u said you had mved in how many str8 hands.. there was a very good chance u had 6 high or so.. why cant he call this?

    this post doesnt reach the forums if u wouldve held.. lmao
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 10:37pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    if was me, i call you. you move in everyhand and we are not playing for 100$ but 6.50$ sit 'n'go, if you wantt o win, you need a call. if you lose it's only 6.50$ nothing more. he was going to take position against you when 2 other guy bust, if he fold everyhand, you will be at 12000 and he will be at 1500, he look for the win. good call!!! depending of the bankroll but i think 6.50$ is nothing to go bankrupt!
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 11:24pm) in reply to UCLArounder

    it was obviously a good call.... i mean he won didn't he?????
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 11:26pm) in reply to mister class

    The buy in doesnt matter and the math dictates only calling with the very few top hands. If you are calling with even Ace King here, you have a lot to learn about turbos....
  16. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 11:32pm) in reply to mister class

    I hope to be in many turbos with people who say they would call because I had been moving in every hand. Like ill flu said, the buyin should never matter. You should play correctly, or as well as you can, whenever you play poker.
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    Apr 19th, 2007 (4/19/2007 11:34pm) in reply to CHEVYRIDINHIGH

    You can learn a bit about SNG bubbles from this post, so I don't think it is worthless. I also guarentee I would post this call if my hand held.

    And I hope you are joking when you say "why can't he call?"
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 12:12am) in reply to wavegoodbye

    I havent stopped laughing.....ROFL...u seem like a clown so had 2 cards I CALL!
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 12:39am) in reply to salesbeast

    i thoght ppl never make bad plays at a $6 table
     
  20. 5aces5 5aces5 is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:04am) in reply to thelandlord

    um.......wow. i can't believe anyone who compulsively shoves all in, and does it with cards like 10 3, is outraged when someone finally looks him up, even if he dares to look him up with a j 10. get over yourself.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:07am) in reply to 5aces5

    Same with me. This ICM bullshit has turned a lot of idiots into big fat dumb idiots. I hate how people think that once they know something, everyone who doesn't know it is retarded.

    I mean, in this case, the guy called with the best hand! What's so terrible about that?
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:09am) in reply to 5aces5

    you guys are missing the points...this is purely a sng bubble hand

    1) JT is not favored over someone pushing any 2 cards
    2) the two short stacks have 1 bb left
    3) the JT guy can fold to 2nd place
    4) if he busts there he gets $0
    5) doubling up there does not improve his chances of winning by that much,

    this isn't really even an ICM hand, it's a common sense hand, like why pass up guaranteed money to double up and still not have the chip lead
  23. ill flu ill flu is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:11am) in reply to crushcards

    <table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#eeeedd"><td bgcolor="#ffffff"></td><td><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"> </td><td>Re(5): What a terrible terrible terrible terrible call
    by crushcards on 4/20/2007 00:07 </td><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td><nobr> </nobr> </td><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td bgcolor="#ffffff"></td><td colspan="2"><table celspacing="0" border="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr><td>Same with me. This ICM bullshit has turned a lot of idiots into big fat dumb idiots. I hate how people think that once they know something, everyone who doesn't know it is retarded.

    I mean, in this case, the guy called with the best hand! What's so terrible about that?</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

    lol I bet you are one of those people who go to all of the blue collar comedy tour stops.
  24. Maits10 Maits10 is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:14am) in reply to thelandlord

    Anyone who doesn't understand why this is a bad call is an idiot and needs to learn SnG theory.

    Anyone who doesn't understand why this is a bad call needs to search this forum for posts relating to ICM. I'm not going to explain why this is a bad call in this post. Do yourself a favor and search for them.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:25am) in reply to UCLArounder

    I'd have to agree a call with a hand beat by 56% of the starting hands around is imo terrible let alon the icm stuff.. Its an obv fold.. Fold to the money then outplay UCLA headsup.. no need to do it sooner with the massive risk of bubbling. UCLA is allowed to shove every hand with the insummountable chip lead.

    My only question is who ended up winning this sng.. That is the key question...
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:26am) in reply to Maits10

    this is a bad call obviously, but at this level you shouldn't be doing this, because you'll find too many players that don't get the concept or don't care. you might test the waters or maybe you could tell from the rest of the sng if it will work on them or not. obv at the 55 level it will work most or all the time and he will instafold his qq
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 1:46am) in reply to trsba

    I dont believe who ended up winning this one sng...i believe the key question is who wins more often?I dont know how good the original poster is but im sure he must win more often then the moron who called with jack ten.
  28. UCLArounder UCLArounder is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 2:03am) in reply to trsba

    I won the SNG, but that isn't really relevant since it is a sample size of 1. In the long run it is a bad call and it's not even a close decision.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 2:27am) in reply to wavegoodbye

    if anyone took my post seriously i apologize for you being too rock stupid and not being able to notice the sarcastic nature of my post.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 2:37am) in reply to UCLArounder

    ridiculously bad call.

    as an aside i'm pretty sure threads like this are the reason p5's gets such a bad rap. i'm guessing someone from the 4 will link this thread and laugh at us if they haven't already.
     
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