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  1. Jlivey Jlivey is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:29am)

    Can't get the HH but this just happened.

    I'm UTG +2 and UTG limped. I raise 5 times with KK and it folds to button who pushes all in. I convince myself if UTG calls all-in he has AA. He barely thinks and snap calls.

    It is very very early in a 18,000 GTD on Full tilt. I have absolutely no reads on anybody so my question is what do you do????

    Please discuss, Thanks.....
  2. deej_0607 deej_0607 is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:31am) in reply to Jlivey

    dont fold KK preflop ever
  3. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:36am) in reply to deej_0607

     
    Originally Posted by deej_0607 View Post

    dont fold KK preflop ever

    wat people dont get is that folding KK pre online is -EV because u have to be right such a large % of the time. like when u call here and utg had AA he will not have AA anywhere near 100% of the time. so snapcall as well and if he has AA just boot up another tourney. in a live 10k for example u casn fold if u think he has AA since u r still extremely deep online on fulltilt for example, utg limps 30 u have 2k and make it 150 and some1 shoves and utg calls u have to call 1850 to win like 4k. utg would have to have AA like 95% of the time for a fold to be correct
  4. Defndrofangels Defndrofangels is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:42am) in reply to Jlivey

    In my playing experience a person who limps UTG and calls an all in has a very strong hand. That being said you gotta call with KK, even if you run into AA, it doesn't happen very often. Just chalk it up to variance.
  5. leftygrove leftygrove is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:48am) in reply to Jlivey

    if he "barely thinks and snap calls" it could be a misclick. those do happen.

    if this is an 18k guaranteed... well, i've seen some strange things in low stakes. some people trail around Q-Q, A-K, even J-J.

    if you have no reads, snap call. you can't fold K-K preflop without monster deep stacks or reads.
  6. Jlivey Jlivey is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 12:57am) in reply to leftygrove

    Do I consider the Buttons push at all here? I'm just thinking here, you have a limp UTG and a 5 times raise UTG+1. When he pushes he would have to assume he is up against 2 big hands right? maybe i'm assuming he is a thinking player. But I think he knows he is getting called here also by the possible monster limp UTG and then the Big raise right after him.

    Again maybe I'm giving these guys to much credit. I will tell what happened if you even care after a few more responses.

    Thanks
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  7. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 1:06am) in reply to Jlivey

    Buying rope, preparing to hang self.

    PS: Request to mods: Can you guys put together all the "Folding KK pre-flop threads"? It'd free tons of space in the front page of PD.

    PS2: Found rope. GG life.
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  8. Jlivey Jlivey is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 2:37am) in reply to andressoprano

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    Buying rope, preparing to hang self.

    PS: Request to mods: Can you guys put together all the "Folding KK pre-flop threads"? It'd free tons of space in the front page of PD.

    PS2: Found rope. GG life.

    Thanks andresso, I almost forgot why I never post for help.

    PS: please use rope
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  9. Smokin Zags Smokin Zags is offline 2010 CA Amateur Golf Champion

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    Nov 20th, 2008 (11/20/2008 2:48am) in reply to andressoprano

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    Buying rope, preparing to hang self.

    PS: Request to mods: Can you guys put together all the "Folding KK pre-flop threads"? It'd free tons of space in the front page of PD.

    PS2: Found rope. GG life.

    lol andres... these threads are ridic
     
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