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What would you do with 1010 in this spot?

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  1. JBurleson JBurleson is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 6:35am)

    pokerstars Game #14975030346: Tournament #75209305, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2008/02/01 - 03:58:21 (ET)
    Table '75209305 32' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: JBurleson (54845 in chips)
    Seat 3: Golfeveryday (10427 in chips)
    Seat 5: JohnnyBelow (23810 in chips)
    Seat 6: hellyeah1213 (30881 in chips)
    Seat 7: markypoo0328 (75647 in chips)
    Seat 8: nt225 (53026 in chips)
    Seat 9: ahaas5 (54152 in chips)
    JBurleson: posts the ante 125
    Golfeveryday: posts the ante 125
    JohnnyBelow: posts the ante 125
    hellyeah1213: posts the ante 125
    markypoo0328: posts the ante 125
    nt225: posts the ante 125
    ahaas5: posts the ante 125
    hellyeah1213: posts small blind 600
    markypoo0328: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JBurleson [Ts Td]
    nt225: folds
    ahaas5: folds
    JBurleson: raises 1900 to 3100
    Golfeveryday: raises 7202 to 10302 and is all-in
    JohnnyBelow: folds
    hellyeah1213: folds
    markypoo0328: calls 9102

    Marky has played a few hands but not like a total maniac or anything
     
  2. DJam21 DJam21 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 6:38am) in reply to JBurleson

    Call, then proceed with caution.
  3. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 6:40am) in reply to JBurleson

    Really tough spot with absolutely no quality information on markypoo. My initial reaction was to shove although I'm afraid it might not be correct without any knowledge of markypoo.

    I'm not a huge fan of calling as you almost certainly don't have setmine value and I can't see an advantage to just calling rather than shoving if you feel markypoo is overcalling a range that he would fold to your shove with.

    Against a loooooot of random idiot donks that overcall here with too many hands and isolate with their huge hands this is obviously a turboshove, however with absolutely no information the risk of your 50k+ stack is probably not worth it, and may be a fold =/
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  4. JBurleson JBurleson is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 6:43am) in reply to SCTrojans

    hahaha im the worst with giving good info, altho he had chips he seemed on the tighter side to me, i didnt think he was coldcalling with a weak hand but i wasnt really sure, goin to sleep will post the result of the hand tomorrow
     
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  5. runwithit runwithit is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 7:47am) in reply to JBurleson

    "Marky has played a few hands but not like a total maniac or anything"

    Very key statement.

    He has ethier AA KK QQ JJ
    I would fold , You should always be leary of a player that calls 2 raises.
  6. kenn121 kenn121 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 7:48am) in reply to JBurleson

    i would call 6k into pot of 25k still leaving yourself with 45k and try and check it down if you dont hit your set.

    you still in pretty decent shape with regards the rest of the table and if you do hit and he has the overpair you could get most of his chips as well
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  7. DonkDon DonkDon is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 7:55am) in reply to runwithit

    Agree with SCT.
  8. zachjackdad zachjackdad is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 8:30am) in reply to DonkDon

    I think he has AK and doesnt want to play a big pot with it. You have position, I would flat call and fold if Marky bets at any flop. If overcards hit, I would check it down or fold to a bet. I think you are giving up way too much value here by folding since you are getting 3/1 on your money and its only 10% of your stack
     
  9. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 8:41am) in reply to JBurleson

    sct is right but considering its a late night 109 freeze i ship here almost every time.
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  10. Chimp__greg Chimp__greg is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 1:17pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    I have no idea, since he's in BB I guess I shove? lol

    Would calling and then leading good flops for us be horrible?
     
  11. JBurleson JBurleson is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 4:13pm) in reply to JBurleson

    I didnt really want to call 7k more not knowing where I was in the hand and only being sure I have the best hand when a 10 comes so I felt it was a raise or fold and I didn't want to risk my whole stack without being more sure that I was ahead so I made the safe play and folded, he ended up having 2 jacks so who knows maybe a shove would have worked but I really had no way of knowing at the time...

    pokerstars Game #14975030346: Tournament #75209305, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2008/02/01 - 03:58:21 (ET)
    Table '75209305 32' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: JBurleson (54845 in chips)
    Seat 3: Golfeveryday (10427 in chips)
    Seat 5: JohnnyBelow (23810 in chips)
    Seat 6: hellyeah1213 (30881 in chips)
    Seat 7: markypoo0328 (75647 in chips)
    Seat 8: nt225 (53026 in chips)
    Seat 9: ahaas5 (54152 in chips)
    JBurleson: posts the ante 125
    Golfeveryday: posts the ante 125
    JohnnyBelow: posts the ante 125
    hellyeah1213: posts the ante 125
    markypoo0328: posts the ante 125
    nt225: posts the ante 125
    ahaas5: posts the ante 125
    hellyeah1213: posts small blind 600
    markypoo0328: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JBurleson [Ts Td]
    nt225: folds
    ahaas5: folds
    JBurleson: raises 1900 to 3100
    Golfeveryday: raises 7202 to 10302 and is all-in
    JohnnyBelow: folds
    hellyeah1213: folds
    markypoo0328: calls 9102
    JBurleson: folds
    *** FLOP *** [8s 5h 2d]
    *** TURN *** [8s 5h 2d] [6c]
    *** RIVER *** [8s 5h 2d 6c] [4s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    markypoo0328: shows [Jc Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
    Golfeveryday: shows [As 8d] (a pair of Eights)
    Golfeveryday said, "bm"
    markypoo0328 collected 25179 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 25179 | Rake 0
    Board [8s 5h 2d 6c 4s]
    Seat 2: JBurleson folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Golfeveryday showed [As 8d] and lost with a pair of Eights
    Seat 5: JohnnyBelow (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: hellyeah1213 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: markypoo0328 (big blind) showed [Jc Jd] and won (25179) with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 8: nt225 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: ahaas5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
     
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  12. Askesis_ Askesis_ is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 4:24pm) in reply to JBurleson

    I'm leaning toward RR, but it's a tough spot. You were the original raiser, so keep that in mind. You got raised pushed, but you are getting good odds to play the pot. If you RR again, I don't think Marky can call you with anything but AA KK, or maybe QQ. He's not a maniac, so he probably wouldn''t overplay JJ to three raises.

    Now think about if Marky did, in fact, have AA, KK or QQ. With KK or QQ, I would think he would definitely RR (especially out of position!) because he wouldn't want to give you a chance of you hitting an ace (or having an ace come out, costing him money) for those good odds. With AA, he may just flat call, but I would think he would RR out of position with that too. Either way, there's only one likely hand that beats you that he would call a reraise with that he would play the way he played the hand.
     
  13. JBT449 JBT449 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 4:28pm) in reply to JBurleson

    JBURL plays verrry good, nice fold I would've shoved prolly lol
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  14. JBurleson JBurleson is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 5:21pm) in reply to Askesis_

    with AK or QQ he would probably reraise, and id say with KK not always but a good portion of the time he would reraise, you make a good point for sure
     
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  15. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 5:23pm) in reply to JBurleson

    Is that a good shove by golf considering he has no FE and lots of players behind? Seems pretty terrible to me.
  16. ridriley ridriley is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 5:59pm) in reply to JBurleson

    gf. thats one of those spots that gets you cursing
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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 6:43pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    Oh, his shove was horrible
     
  18. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 10:36pm) in reply to kenn121

    Too spewy? I like a slightly larger raise preflop.
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    Feb 1st, 2008 (2/1/2008 11:11pm) in reply to JBurleson

    I know it's just my pet peeve, but I'd move this thread to Hand Advice.

    (and I do realize that my ass is about to be kicked off the site, as the admins are very touchy about this issue.)

    And FWIW, I'm folding.
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