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What would you do with AK on bubble of live tourney?

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  1. rob131986 rob131986 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 7:38am) in reply to jsagan77

    FOLD!
     
  2. Biskitdisher Biskitdisher is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 9:38am) in reply to rob131986

    instafold
  3. duclover duclover is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 2:56pm) in reply to rob131986

     
    Originally Posted by rob131986 View Post

    FOLD!

    Are you joking? I guess you posted this because we both live in IL and you hope I play this way live?

    Lol. I obviously called. And obviously my AK was beat by the J9 UTG shove.
    I was down to 5bb because I'd been very card dead and also I had recently doubled up another P5r when his k2 beat my A9 bb vs sb.

    Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to email him a link to this thread now
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 4:24pm) in reply to FenwayKing

     
    Originally Posted by FenwayKing View Post

    should just unreg pre if youre going to fold this

    word

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    the bigger problem was getting down to 5 bbs

    and word
     
  5. crtierney crtierney is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 4:34pm) in reply to FenwayKing

     
    Originally Posted by FenwayKing View Post

    should just unreg pre if youre going to fold this

    this
  6. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 4:41pm) in reply to crtierney

    Easy call
  7. Sportbike33 Sportbike33 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 7:11pm) in reply to Pops28

    Never Even a question... why min cash... what a waste of time.

    tell your Uncle to simply add up 10 min cashes and 1 win... Whichever is higher is the right decision!!
  8. ImaBustYou ImaBustYou is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 7:23pm) in reply to Sportbike33

    insta snap call; high five monitor..errr..person to right and left of you

    Only way I am ever folding here on the bubble is if it's a tournament where the buyin is thousands of $'s and even then it is not the right fold!
  9. TnWes1 TnWes1 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 7:51pm) in reply to ImaBustYou

    has to be a level. what is unc's line of thinking here??
     
  10. duclover duclover is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:10pm) in reply to TnWes1

     
    Originally Posted by TnWes1 View Post

    has to be a level. what is unc's line of thinking here??

    lol.. I was amazed at him telling me this. He actually plays a fair amount(once a month) of high stakes cash poker with his country club friends. His line of thinking is "not putting myself at risk". But, I still LOL at that. Cmon. I agree with everyone who said, I shouldn't have gotten that low in the first place
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  11. Sportbike33 Sportbike33 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:12pm) in reply to duclover

     
    Originally Posted by duclover View Post

    lol.. I was amazed at him telling me this. He actually plays a fair amount(once a month) of high stakes cash poker with his country club friends. His line of thinking is "not putting myself at risk". But, I still LOL at that. Cmon. I agree with everyone who said, I shouldn't have gotten that low in the first place

    When and where is this cash game, have you no tried to sneak in there and play...
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:30pm) in reply to Sportbike33

    "It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money"
    -Mike McDermott

    Your uncle has to understand that a tournament is nothing like a cash game in the sense that once your stack is gone you can't just rebuy like in a cash game. There has to be a winner and there has to be a loser. Unluckily you got the latter but it is an easy shove. The only place that I may take a min cash by choice and fold AK is in something like the WSOP ME.

    Does your uncle play under the sn DoNk3y F3st?
  13. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:38pm) in reply to RazorFish00

    here comes uncle joe
    he's a movin' kinda slow

    you are so wrong uncle joe, bitch at him for not open shoving any two cards somewhere between 10 bb and 5 bbs in the big blind w AK.
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:46pm) in reply to Sportbike33

     
    Originally Posted by Sportbike33 View Post

    When and where is this cash game, have you no tried to sneak in there and play...

    Haha. I've thought about it. But, I'm not rolled for that right now. They sit down with like 5k each I think
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 8:57pm) in reply to duclover

    maybe in a satty you could make a case for folding, but def not in this spot
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 9:39pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    wait im confused, a few good players like the lab rat (ranked 120th in the world) said to go allin, but then even better players like rob131986 (ranked 107th in the world) said to fold. i guess thats what makes poker so complex...so many different ways to play each hand and you can never really know which way was correct
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 9:52pm) in reply to jsagan77

    your uncle needs to spend more time on the message boards
    Edited By: chrisp200 Jan 19th, 2011 at 09:55 PM
     
  18. ImAmOnStEr ImAmOnStEr is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 10:11pm) in reply to Dr Drewlius

    +1
    Edited By: ImAmOnStEr Jan 19th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 10:34pm) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    maybe an icm expert could show if folding has a higher $ev than calling.
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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 11:03pm) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    I am a nit and I would snap call here. The guy shoving utg has noticed u have been inactive and may believe that u r waiting for a min cash. The real problem is not this hand but the fact that u got to 5 BBs.

    I assume this was not a Deep Stack Extravaganza event (ie $350 / $550 buy-in) but rather one of the regular $150 daily / evening tourneys.

    Many times in these people do a bubble chop - ie just to get entry fee back and then play on as per usual w the reduced prizepool - so if the money means that much look at that option - then if u bust u have just spent x hours being entertained for nothing. I noticed in events at many of the Vegas Casinos including the Venetian that approaching the bubble there are often alot of shorties holding out 4 a min cash. I guess if this were the case and there were several other shorties who will b forced all-in this round AND if the cash meant something too u (in which case why enter if it was that important) then perhaps I can see where ur uncle may b coming from. As u have not advised where u sit wrt to other players at the table in terms of stacks can't answer this. If we r takling life changing $s etc then in Kill every1 it is suggested that a fold can b found even w AA (moreso in satties), but this tourney is not that situation imo

    Irrespective u have made the right choice (to fold here would be throwing away huge EV - the guy shoving has given u another big advantage - he has protected u from a multi way pot so u r heads up). Just need to run better - welcome to my reality - bubble in the Venetian and deep stacks at Aria way too often (mind u usually cos I am trying to build my stack).

    Good luck - in answer to ur question - SNAP - ALL IN.
    Edited By: catdoggin Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:07 PM
  21. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 11:23pm) in reply to catdoggin

     
    Originally Posted by catdoggin View Post

    Good luck - in answer to ur question - SNAP - ALL IN.

    If it was the literal bubble where next out is bubble boy.. if there is any action on the other tables I'd tank call. No point in snapping faster than another possible bubble buster on the other table.

    Use the time bank ;)
     
  22. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 11:57pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    Your uncle might be retarded.
     
  23. duclover duclover is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 12:09am) in reply to mdshack14

     
    Originally Posted by mdshack14 View Post

    Your uncle might be retarded.

    Come on. I said please keep it clean. If he is retarded, he's retarded enough to make more $ then most of us in this thread

    But, tournament pokerwise, he may be retarded
    Edited By: duclover Jan 20th, 2011 at 12:12 AM
    Reason: added tournament poker
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  24. Freewill1978 Freewill1978 is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 12:15am) in reply to bonflizubi

     
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    If it was the literal bubble where next out is bubble boy.. if there is any action on the other tables I'd tank call. No point in snapping faster than another possible bubble buster on the other table.

    Use the time bank ;)

    Well, if it's the true bubble the tournament is going to be playing hand-for-hand. No benefit to tank-calling.

    Anyway, if I staked someone to play MTTs and later found out that they like to fold premium hands near the bubble in order to min-cash, that staking agreement would come to an end mighty quick.
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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 1:17am) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    please dont fold

    this
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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 1:26am) in reply to Seaner23s

    Getting worse hands than AK in here.
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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 1:31am) in reply to williambrasky14

    in a satellite there is no question this is 100% a fold...
     
  28. GoBilliards GoBilliards is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 1:59am) in reply to Drewace34

    RED ZONE= JAM the pot with AK. Always without a doubt.
     
  29. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 1:59am) in reply to GoBilliards

    idk if it was said yet,

    you should call
     
  30. GoBilliards GoBilliards is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2011 (1/20/2011 2:23am) in reply to SlayNL

    I think Rob was kidding or missread the question. If not, Rob, Please enlighten us with some details. Folding is beyond a nit move imho. You really should have been looking for a chance to get them in WAY before this. You have no fold equity so the difference between calling and betting have shrunk.
     
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