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what would you say is the correct play with KQs here

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  1. youjustdoyou youjustdoyou is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 11:50am)

    I was playing a live tourney yesterday and this situation came up that got me out of the tourney...

    I had 6700 in chips,the villain had about 9500, the blinds were 200 -400 with 50 antes.I have KQc in late position (1 behind button) everybody folds behind me so I raise to 1350.everyone folds to villain who is big blind he calls.

    THE FLOP: Kd,4d,9s. villain checks,I bet 1450 he calls

    THE TURN:Qd making me top 2 pair. villain checks, I bet out 1600 villain pushes all in and has me covered.I go in the tank for like 1 min and I called all in.Villain turns his card over shows me Ad,3s he needed one more diamond for the flush

    THE RIVER: obv diamond comes out and completes his flush knocking me out of the tourney.

    I don't even get mad at situations like that anymore as stupid as they are.but what I would like to know from fellow p5ers is how would you have played your KQ in this situation?do you think I shoulda pushed all in on the flop or turn and see if he gets out? or there was no way I would've gotten him to fold? it was 100 dollar tourney with only 30 players in there but I can't stop thinking about this hand.

    what do you guys think?

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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 11:58am) in reply to youjustdoyou

    first shove pre as the ante's are huge and your pretty short and in LP with sooted KQ

    secondly dont worry about bad beats as that is what this is

    third your turn bet is horrendous as it begs for a call or raise on a board where you want him to fold just because your hand improved to two pair is no reason you want him to remain in the pot. The J10 straight just hit the board as did the flush and the possibilty for the 4card flush. Make him make a bad call rather than a bad all-in eliminate the possibility, however slight, that you might fold.
     
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 12:16pm) in reply to youjustdoyou

    Since you didn't shove pre, shove the flop.

    Since you didn't shove the flop, shove the turn.

    You played this hand poorly from start to finish. Why are you making it so that you have the last decision? Stop that.
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 12:20pm) in reply to CzechItDown

    thx czech and tm for advice.next time I'll play this hand faster given my stack sizes? any other advice?

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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 1:33pm) in reply to youjustdoyou

    I think bet sizing is an issue here also. Preflop you are in the 10-16bb range where just shoving preflop is fine. If you are going to raise 2.5x~ bb is better. After raising 1350 pre you make it 1450 which is about half the pot, but small in relation to your preflop raise, then the turn you bet 1600 on the turn which is like 1/4 the pot - which is just asking to get shoved on imo.

    I agree with another poster, shove pre, flop, 100% on the turn.
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 1:43pm) in reply to youjustdoyou

     
    Originally Posted by youjustdoyou View Post

    thx czech and tm for advice.next time I'll play this hand faster given my stack sizes? any other advice?

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    Nah ... there's really no other advice to give for this hand. If you make a standard raise and hit top pair on the flop you absolutely have to shove there to make chasing an incorrect call or to induce a call from a medium pair or top pair with a lesser kicker.
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 1:50pm) in reply to CzechItDown

     
    Originally Posted by CzechItDown View Post

    Nah ... there's really no other advice to give for this hand. If you make a standard raise and hit top pair on the flop you absolutely have to shove there to make chasing an incorrect call or to induce a call from a medium pair or top pair with a lesser kicker.

    Which is exactly the call you'll get from players who'd even have called your all-in PF, cos they have an ace.

    The truth is that these players usually don't think at all, so no use trying to mess about-jam the hell out of it to maximise your gains, when you have something. Nothing to be done, when, as things actually went, they get there now and again.
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 1:59pm) in reply to youjustdoyou

    lol at people saying your turn bet is asking to get shoved on, you only have 2300 behind w/ almost 2/3 of your stack commited shoving there by him hoping u fold is LOL bad
     
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 3:30pm) in reply to youjustdoyou

    First to point out the villain's loltastic flop call.

    I don't mind an open raise here, but please do it for approx. 2.5x the blind. Your flop bet was the big problem. You've made top pair on a kinda scary board. Fire out a pot-sized bet or just shove.
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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 3:55pm) in reply to Randinho

    thx for the responses fellas,made me feel a lil better. i can see i played it too soft.lesson learned.

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