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  1. LightbringerAA LightbringerAA is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 10:28am)

    I am never sure what to do in this kind of situation. table has not been very aggressive. should i raise/call shove here? or open-shove? or even limp?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7629548956: $3 000 Guarantee (57937900) Table 34 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:18:21 ET - 2008/08/13
    Seat 1: FountainWell (4 805)
    Seat 2: HEAT5UK (8 915)
    Seat 3: LightbringerAA (6 749)
    Seat 4: Caseypigen (5 950)
    Seat 5: dmx25 (12 762)
    Seat 7: Vaer (8 738)
    Seat 8: YuRock (22 326)
    Seat 9: froggie100 (2 280)
    FountainWell antes 50
    HEAT5UK antes 50
    LightbringerAA antes 50
    Caseypigen antes 50
    dmx25 antes 50
    Vaer antes 50
    YuRock antes 50
    froggie100 antes 50
    FountainWell posts the small blind of 200
    HEAT5UK posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #9

    Holecards:
    Dealt to LightbringerAA [ ]

    ->what's your play here UTG?
  2. JAAAAA!!!! JAAAAA!!!! is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 10:45am) in reply to LightbringerAA

    I open for 2.5X and go from there.
  3. LightbringerAA LightbringerAA is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 10:57am) in reply to JAAAAA!!!!

     
    Originally Posted by JAAAAA!!!! View Post

    I open for 2.5X and go from there.

    and if you get reraised allin by a player you have no info on, you call or fold?
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  4. lockdownpokah lockdownpokah is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 11:04am) in reply to LightbringerAA

    if you raise you have to call a shove
     
  5. LightbringerAA LightbringerAA is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 11:21am) in reply to lockdownpokah

     
    Originally Posted by lockdownpokah View Post

    if you raise you have to call a shove

    agreed, but then you can as well open shove with this stack size? when is raise/call better, when is open shove better?
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  6. lockdownpokah lockdownpokah is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 11:28am) in reply to LightbringerAA

    yeah u can open shove, but by simply raising makes your hand look stronger. open shoving sometimes will get called by lighter hands. better to raise/call shove imo
     
  7. Quartersack Quartersack is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 11:32am) in reply to lockdownpokah

    How nitty is it to open fold? Tough stack to play utg with a med pair.
  8. JAAAAA!!!! JAAAAA!!!! is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 11:33am) in reply to LightbringerAA

    If I was going to call any re-shove, I'd open push.

    I can find a fold to a few of the other stacks.

    You are showing huge strength, and should not get reshoved light. You still have RR fold equity if you raise fold. This is at the absolute bottom of the amount of chips I'd ever raise fold, but against seat 5, the other big stack, and the BB, I'd probably find a puke fold.
  9. LightbringerAA LightbringerAA is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 1:18pm) in reply to JAAAAA!!!!

    thanks for your thoughts guys. which range of the lower pocket pairs would you open fold here?

    btw i open shoved and lost to QQ even though i hit my set:

    LightbringerAA raises to 6 699 and is all in
    Caseypigen folds
    dmx25 folds
    Vaer folds
    YuRock folds
    froggie100 folds
    FountainWell folds
    HEAT5UK calls 6 299
    LightbringerAA shows [ ]
    HEAT5UK shows [ ]

    Flop :
    [ ]

    Turn:
    [ ] [ ]

    River:
    [ ] [ ]
    LightbringerAA shows a full house Kings full of Eights
    HEAT5UK shows a full house Kings full of Queens
    HEAT5UK wins the pot (13 998) with a full house Kings full of Queens
    LightbringerAA stands up

    SUMMARY:
    Total pot 13 998 | Rake 0
    Board:
    [ ]
    Seat 1: FountainWell (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: HEAT5UK (big blind) showed [ ] and won (13 998) with a full house Kings full of Queens
    Seat 3: LightbringerAA showed [ ] and lost with a full house Kings full of Eights
    Seat 4: Caseypigen folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: dmx25 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: Vaer folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: YuRock folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: froggie100 (button) folded before the Flop
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  10. ipwntable ipwntable is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 1:38pm) in reply to LightbringerAA

    open shove = terrible, imo / open shoving screams a mediocre hand to me

    i'd rather raise instead of shoving UTG, cuz ur oop and no sense in shoving UTG in that spot, you can easily find a better spot, your holding might be weaker then but ur position will be stronger

    if you just gotta play the 88 UTG there, raise instead so it's a possibility you draw in more action and some weaker hands

    but what do i know
  11. JAAAAA!!!! JAAAAA!!!! is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 3:09pm) in reply to ipwntable

    I think raise calling a shove from the BB would have been worse that open shoving, but that's just me.

    I would have raise folded to the BBs shove which SHOULD only be overpairs or AK, considering the stack and position of the OP.
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