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whats the differencebetween PL and NL please advise a strictly NL player

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  1. Dedonkefy Dedonkefy is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:04am)

    ty yes i know can only bet pot but as far as strategy with top pair or an overbet is there is a big difference or you kind of roll with it :) thanks
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 9:41am) in reply to Dedonkefy

    its inbetween limit and nl...

    use the force... i hope this helps...
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 11:02am) in reply to Dedonkefy

    your ability to control the pot size is the biggest thing. also, i think more post flop skill is required- youll face more players chasing draws since its harder to bet them out of the pot.
  4. optika11329 optika11329 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 11:18am) in reply to Dedonkefy

    This is something I wrote a while back, some pertinent points - enjoy

    As with anything, it depends on the level you play at, but there is a significant difference in strategy between the two IMO. Please assume a good standard below

    In NLHE betting is loosley guaged around the size of the pot and the blinds, but of course not restricted. In PLHE - it is by definition limited by the pot (but as with good economic theory any maximum can frequently also become a minimum- see later).

    One thing with PLHE is that your range of playable hands is significantly improved, and even more so by position. You are pretty much always able to guage the extent by which you can be re-popped - the fewer people in the hand - the less your exposure. So with modern trends such as the Re-pop from the BB in NLHE - this is essnetially eliminated from the game (unless many limpers in a pot).

    Slow playing monsters from an early position is also far more acceptable, especially in a game where most pots are being raised by at least 1 player. Eg UTG with blind 100-200, you raise to 700 (lets assume ealry and ave stack in 50BB). You could well get 4-5 callers - which is never great with AA. However if you limp and get 3 limpers and a pot raise from BB pot is 200x5= 1000 (plus pot bet of 1000) Pot is now 2k. You can now re-raise the pot - probably giving away the strength of your hand, but getting 10BB's for the pleasure (assuming no call).

    The converse can be said of suited connectors in late position - these become very very playable hands.

    Small pairs play are also affected - rasing with them is ballsy - it is very much a set mining exercise.

    All in all - pot limit is a very different game pre-flop and IMO is a far more skillful game overall. The post-flop play is also affected by the comprehension of the range of starting hands.

    Towards the end of these tourneys - when blinds are much bigger - range of hands does natrually decrease. However what it does prevent is the people with an M of say 10-15 pushing all in pre-flop as the pot will not allow. This again improves the end game significanlty. A good tip here is to make sure your raise is at least 51% of the short stacks, b/c you are not allowed to under raise in pot limit - therefore preventing unwanted mandatory calls for the rest of your stack with AJ or <10 10 etc.

    Something to remeber later on is that a raise is usually a minimum of a pot rasie (something i touched upon earlier, where any maximum automatically becomes a minimum)

    One final tip - the first raise in PL is always 7x the SB. If you can remember this people will think you are quite experienced in live games. Frequently dealers will need to add the pot up - your insta maths will scare people and you gain respect.

    Give PL a go - a far more interesting game although less frequently available. I can gurantee you one thing - lessons learnt will also improve your NLHE game too. :-).

    Hope my mini insight has been helpful. Not got time to write my book on here.

    Cheers

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  5. gobboboy gobboboy is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 11:22am) in reply to Dedonkefy

    Play much tighter preflop in the later levels.

    When you start pushbotting, do it at 8 bb's instead of 10+.

    Bet sizing should not be any different at all because your NL bets should almost never be overbets.
     
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 11:58am) in reply to Dedonkefy

    dont know if you play tourneys at all, but in PL tourneys there is no ante so u can generally steal alot less
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 12:43pm) in reply to gobboboy

    I agree with Jimmy, your play should be much tighter than it is in NL. The fact that there are no antes, coupled with the fact that there is a reasonable limit to how you can bet your hands means that you can, and are able to, pick your spots very carefully.
     
  8. hammertim hammertim is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 1:24pm) in reply to Dedonkefy

    Biggest difference is building pots in PL.

    Nuff said
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 1:43pm) in reply to optika11329

    optik could you break down the 7sb rule of thumb a little more. I'm kind of slow.
    tks
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 1:49pm) in reply to hammertim

    play like a straight up nit.
     
  11. the watchdog the watchdog is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:47pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    The main difference is the psyco players at NL. Some times you can run into severe freaks which won't mind calling a $40 bet holding 8c4d.

    Also bluffing is much easier, but very risky. By making a handsome bet on the flop you can scare a lot of players out, but as always, remember there might be some one holding that card that will screw you up.

    Never the less, there is no point of comparisson between NL and PL... No limit is the shit!! Best game ever
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:53pm) in reply to rustle

    sure it is very very simple. Late in most tourneys, your preflop raise will always be the pot. Therefore if you are first to raise, the total amount you put into the pot is 7x sb

    eg blinds 100/200

    if you raise it is your 200 call + 200 + 100 (ie the total you put in is therefore 700) hope that makes sense. The raise is always the amount after you have matched the call.

    Do it with any

    eg 2 blinds 400/800 is in, you add 800 therefore pot now 2000, which is what you can raise therefore total u put in is 2400 (7x400 = 2400)

    Its just something which makes you look more experienced than you might be - you insta know the first raise and the total you can put in your bet

    Hope this helps

    Op
     
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