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What's the ruling?

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  1. LegFuJohnson LegFuJohnson is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 11:17am)

    This happened in a home game last night, I wasn't in the hand, nor do I have a problem with the way it was resolved, but I guess I was curious what the official rule would be in a live tournament, or how you'd handle it in a home game.

    After the flop, Player A goes all-in. Player B, seated next to Player A decides to make the call. It folds around to player C, who is thinking about what to do. While he's thinking about it, Player A casually shows his cards to Player B, mistakenly thinking that Player B was all in, which he was not.

    So now do we do, besides give Player A a hard time and make jokes about him, which we did?

    If Player C decides to raise, then Player B knows 2 cards that are out there already to help his decision. But we can't tell Player C what the cards are yet, because he hasn't decided to call or not.

    What we basically decided to do was to let Player C call if he wanted, but there would then be no side pot action. If there was going to be side pot action, then Player C might have raised on the flop, but couldn't because of the extra info that Player B had. I don't know if that's what the official ruling would be, and I figure that someone out here would know.

    Thanks
  2. BguitarH BguitarH is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 12:15pm) in reply to LegFuJohnson

    here's a useless post from me:

    I have no idea what the official ruling would be, but in my home game if this happened I would have player A turn his cards face up, remain allin, and then player B has no more information than player C and action can continue as normal.
  3. SowersUNCC SowersUNCC is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 12:30pm) in reply to BguitarH

    lol so your showing player c his cards before he makes a call or fold? I think you guys did this about as correct as possible and am interested to see what would happen in a casino.
     
  4. mleone3333 mleone3333 is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 12:33pm) in reply to SowersUNCC

    Ask Jack
  5. phenompoker phenompoker is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 12:59pm) in reply to mleone3333

    On one hand, should "Show one show all apply here?"
    If he purposely showed another player his cards who was still involved in the pot.

    OR, can go with the protect your hand rule. If one player was to see another player's hand(I dont know if exposing on purpose or accidental fits in here, thats a judgment call) then technically play can continue as normal?
  6. Hitman Hitman is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 1:09pm) in reply to phenompoker

    Let Player C complete his action, fold/call/raise. He does not get to see Player A's hand yet because when B acted HE had not seen player A's hand yet, so C gets to act with the same lack of information.

    If player C elects to call or raise, so action continues on, now turn player A's hand face up so both B and C will continue to act with the same information about A's cards on their future decisions.
  7. Adam013085 Adam013085 is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 1:25pm) in reply to Hitman

     
    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    Let Player C complete his action, fold/call/raise. He does not get to see Player A's hand yet because when B acted HE had not seen player A's hand yet, so C gets to act with the same lack of information.

    If player C elects to call or raise, so action continues on, now turn player A's hand face up so both B and C will continue to act with the same information about A's cards on their future decisions.

    This is exactly what I would do. It should be the "correct" ruling but i dont know if it is
  8. HanoverFyst HanoverFyst is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 1:40pm) in reply to Hitman

     
    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    Let Player C complete his action, fold/call/raise. He does not get to see Player A's hand yet because when B acted HE had not seen player A's hand yet, so C gets to act with the same lack of information.

    If player C elects to call or raise, so action continues on, now turn player A's hand face up so both B and C will continue to act with the same information about A's cards on their future decisions.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
  9. mekongplease mekongplease is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 2:08pm) in reply to HanoverFyst

    TDA ruling would be this.

    Player A hand is exposed just like he had tabled it. The rest of the hand player A hand is played face up. If player A remains in the tournament after the hand he recieves a 1 round penalty(out until the button does one circuit). Exposing cards with action pending gets this penalty with no warning.
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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 2:51pm) in reply to Hitman

     
    Originally Posted by Hitman View Post

    Let Player C complete his action, fold/call/raise. He does not get to see Player A's hand yet because when B acted HE had not seen player A's hand yet, so C gets to act with the same lack of information.

    If player C elects to call or raise, so action continues on, now turn player A's hand face up so both B and C will continue to act with the same information about A's cards on their future decisions.

    AGREED.
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