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What's the smallest % of your stack that you would shove for?

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  1. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 5:49pm)

    Example:

    Say there's 100 chips in the pot and your stack is 1,000, the smallest % of your stack is %10 if you like a shove there.
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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 5:52pm) in reply to jtown1010

    Please explain more clearly. Are you talking about how big the pot needs to be for someone to consider an over-bet all-in?
     
  3. RichardHurtz RichardHurtz is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 6:35pm) in reply to jtown1010

    I like shove
  4. elendil elendil is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 6:47pm) in reply to RichardHurtz

    15% to 20% Jtown. %10 is a bit of a spew I reakon.
  5. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 6:47pm) in reply to RichardHurtz

    Yeah I explained that like crap, what I mean is in order for you to go all in preflop, how big do you need the pot to be, or what is your ideal pot size for a preflop-shove?
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  6. MattieBoy131 MattieBoy131 is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 7:57pm) in reply to jtown1010

    i think hes thinking of the M value for preflop pot from blinds+antes makes it more EV to shove rather than raise, etc
  7. nolanthedog nolanthedog is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 8:04pm) in reply to MattieBoy131

    how about wording like this... how much does a shove need to increase your stack to make it the right play? your ex. is 10% or are the pros looking for a higher % like 15-20?
    It's a guestion that i've always thought about, but never found an answer...
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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 8:25pm) in reply to nolanthedog

    I don't think there is an answer to this question. The larger the all-in, the more hands that your opponent (should) be folding. So with a larger all-in, your chance of success goes up but your risk also goes up.

    Against a very tight player, shoving to gain anywhere from 10% to 30% may be profitable with any hand. Against a loose opponent... who knows.
     
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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 8:49pm) in reply to jtown1010

    20% which equates to 5 "M" is a good starting point. All things being equal, that's the point where I go from standard raising to open-shoving. I kind of use this as a rule where previous action is involved as well. For example, if I have AK suited and there is a raise and a call in front of me making the pot equal 20% of my stack then normally I will shove as opposed to making a smaller raise if I am going to play the hand.
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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 9:00pm) in reply to jtown1010

    ill shove $100 to win $5 at a cash game if old people limp
     
  11. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 9:08pm) in reply to jtown1010

    Yo jtown, check out this thread. I posed the same question in different wording about a month ago.

    Shove question
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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 10:21pm) in reply to jtown1010

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    Jan 7th, 2008 (1/7/2008 11:14pm) in reply to Dyzalot

    thanks for the response dyzalot..... i've been ko'd way too many times shoving ak to gain about 10% to my stack.. after the play it just seems like such a waste...
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