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What's your play here?

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  1. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2009 (6/23/2009 5:02pm)

    pokerstars Game #29701776906: Tournament #174077252, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/06/23 15:33:36 ET
    Table '174077252 14' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Xaviola83 (3460 in chips)
    Seat 2: thailanddave (1820 in chips)
    Seat 3: keynes79 (1265 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: Skarno974 (5065 in chips)
    Seat 5: Jaap69golf (2760 in chips)
    Seat 6: chazz691 (1270 in chips)
    Seat 7: sauce7777777 (1925 in chips)
    Seat 8: Rittberg (1230 in chips)
    Seat 9: la6gal (2810 in chips)
    sauce7777777: posts small blind 25
    Rittberg: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Jaap69golf [Th 8h]
    la6gal: raises 50 to 100
    Xaviola83: folds
    thailanddave: calls 100
    keynes79: folds
    Skarno974: folds
    Jaap69golf: calls 100
    chazz691: calls 100
    sauce7777777: calls 75
    Rittberg: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kh Kd Ah]
    sauce7777777: checks
    la6gal: bets 100
    thailanddave: calls 100
    Jaap69golf: calls 100
    chazz691: folds
    sauce7777777: calls 100
    *** TURN *** [Kh Kd Ah] [6h]
    sauce7777777: checks
    la6gal: checks
    thailanddave: bets 700
    Jaap69golf said, "dammit"
    Jaap69golf: ????

    UTG min-raiser had been playing fairly loose, his minraise looked weak and I had been quite tight up to this point so figured I would play this in position and to possibly hit a well-disguised monster. Then this happened. No real reads on villain, recently joined table. What's your play here?
  2. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2009 (6/23/2009 5:32pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    I hate this spot, I try not to get here.

    As played get your chips in here - you called a bet on the flop with a 3rd best flush draw on a PRed board in a muliway pot (not a great spot IMO) - you hit your draw get your chips in. If you are going to fold a bet when you hit WTF are you doing in the pot anyway? (I'll take a ROFL here )

    Normaly I would have put in a raise on the flop to between ~2/3 and full pot but with 750 in and ~2500 back you are getting real close to commited so a push isn't to out of line. A raise to ~400 you could still fold a push. My point is decide on the flop what your line is going to be.

    Fold pre - good
    Raise the flop - good

    Call the flop & fold when you hit - not so good

    my 2 cents
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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 7:32am) in reply to saukendar

    Fair points, all of them. So here's my thought process and how it played out.

    I actually did not raise on the flop because of the player to come on this dangerous board, his mere call (presumably based on pot odds) made me more certain he did not have much. At that point I was pretty sure no-one held a lone king. AK was still a possibility for the pre flop raiser, but who in their right mind would min-raise with AK UTG????

    So the big bet on the turn by UTG+1 to me signalled
    1) a made flush
    2) a lone A
    3) a Q/J 4-flush
    4) Air - but very unlikely with this many in the hand

    At this point - and I took time to think it through - I have option 2 & 3 (and 4) crushed and stand a good chance against 1 since there's only 2 higher flushes than mine. So I push - if i'm beaten now there's no way i'm not losing all of my chips anyway, so no point in delaying. Villain turns over....9h4h!!!!....I was elated and amazed at the same time. I know I called a min raise with T8s, but I was in late position with 2 people in the pot - and T8 connect a heck of a lot better than 94. I cannot think of a situation where I would call a minraise in EP with 94s.

    By the way, 90% of the time I do fold this preflop - but you gotta mix it up sometimes
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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 10:15am) in reply to DutchCourage

     
    Originally Posted by DutchCourage View Post


    So the big bet on the turn by UTG+1 to me signalled
    1) a made flush
    2) a lone A
    3) a Q/J 4-flush
    4) Air - but very unlikely with this many in the hand

    I wouldn't totaly discount a Kx that tried for a c/r and is now trying to look flush with 10 outs in case of action.
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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 11:48am) in reply to saukendar

     
    Originally Posted by saukendar View Post

     
    Originally Posted by DutchCourage View Post


    So the big bet on the turn by UTG+1 to me signalled
    1) a made flush
    2) a lone A
    3) a Q/J 4-flush
    4) Air - but very unlikely with this many in the hand

    I wouldn't totaly discount a Kx that tried for a c/r and is now trying to look flush with 10 outs in case of action.

    But why the flat call on the UTG probe bet on the flop if you have trips with a flush draw?
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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 7:02pm) in reply to DutchCourage

     
    Originally Posted by DutchCourage View Post

     
    Originally Posted by saukendar View Post

     
    Originally Posted by DutchCourage View Post


    So the big bet on the turn by UTG+1 to me signalled
    1) a made flush
    2) a lone A
    3) a Q/J 4-flush
    4) Air - but very unlikely with this many in the hand

    I wouldn't totaly discount a Kx that tried for a c/r and is now trying to look flush with 10 outs in case of action.

    But why the flat call on the UTG probe bet on the flop if you have trips with a flush draw?

    For the same reason someone bet 100 into a 750 pot - they haven't got a clue :)
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