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what's your play here? Any advice appreciated:)

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  1. brendo27 brendo27 is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2009 (3/30/2009 10:43pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #11425556496: $25,000 Guarantee (85675178), Table 83 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:30:05 ET - 2009/03/30
    Seat 1: DaDeviousOne (52,117)
    Seat 2: lucaszzz (97,870)
    Seat 3: Radian10 (184,552)
    Seat 4: BlazeThis (50,466)
    Seat 5: Mr_Evil71 (84,699)
    Seat 6: Crazy6524 (269,361)
    Seat 7: Seanallin99 (136,966)
    Seat 8: brendo27 (104,820)
    Seat 9: Natedogg23 (50,068)
    DaDeviousOne antes 500
    lucaszzz antes 500
    Radian10 antes 500
    BlazeThis antes 500
    Mr_Evil71 antes 500
    Crazy6524 antes 500
    Seanallin99 antes 500
    brendo27 antes 500
    Natedogg23 antes 500
    Natedogg23 posts the small blind of 2,000
    DaDeviousOne posts the big blind of 4,000
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to brendo27 [9s 9d]
    lucaszzz raises to 12,000
    Radian10 folds
    BlazeThis folds
    Mr_Evil71 folds
    Crazy6524 folds
    Seanallin99 has 15 seconds left to act
    Seanallin99 folds
    brendo27 has 15 seconds left to act
    brendo27 has requested TIME

    brendo27 calls 12,000

    Natedogg23 folds

    DaDeviousOne folds

    *** FLOP *** [8s 2d 2h]

    lucaszzz bets 34,500

    brendo27 has 15 seconds left to act

    brendo27 raises to 92,320, and is all in

    lucaszzz calls 50,870, and is all in

    brendo27 shows [9s 9d]

    lucaszzz shows [Ac 8c]

    Uncalled bet of 6,950 returned to brendo27

    *** TURN *** [8s 2d 2h] [8h]

    *** RIVER *** [8s 2d 2h 8h] [Th]

    brendo27 shows two pair, Nines and Eights

    lucaszzz shows a full house, Eights full of Twos
  2. Dan0281 Dan0281 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 12:08am) in reply to brendo27

    If i'm reading this correctly you're the big blind? I don't think folding here is an option especially since you have position on him and a decent pocket pair. Now the question is whether or not to raise or just flat call, and this is where to me it gets a little bit tricky.

    \The raising option is good if you think he will fold right here or you believe he is raising like A10 maybe AJ and 22-66. If that were the case i would make a decent raise to like 30k this way you leave yourself some outs if he raises you and you believe hes got the goods. He may also raise and you have the option to call but that is a little loose and very read dependant on how hes been playing.

    The other option is to flat here and take a flop because you said he had a loose range. Im thinking QJ+ to 66+ which makes it hard to really identify where you stand on a flop. However if you feel hes the kind of player to make a c-bet no matter what on the flop an interesting but risky play is to flat call the 12k, take a flop, and when he bets move in on him. However this move is very risky since its hard to put him on a hand, yet this move makes an impression of strength and most likely will only get called by a strong hand, on the off chance he calls with a worse hand you just doubled up. Of course there is always the chance you flop a set in which case play that accordingly.

    Hope this helped.
  3. srooney3 srooney3 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 12:31am) in reply to brendo27

    If his image was loose, I'd repop him for around 35k. A repop from him would probably mean your flipping, so get ready to flip if you want to. If you do not want to flip, but also turn off the pressure on him, I would flat and reevaluate after the flop.
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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 1:16am) in reply to brendo27

    ok well from what I am reading... you have position on him... I guess it depends on how well you think you play post-flop... also depends on how far you are in the tourney, are you on the bubble? cash? where are you chip stack wise? cuz if you repush and he goes all-in you pretty much are at best in a coinflip... Don't give him that option... with position just check and see what he does... especially with your stacksize... especially if he is loose...
  5. brendo27 brendo27 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 11:49am) in reply to taesamlee

    Anything else b4 I post results?
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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 12:50pm) in reply to brendo27

    Raising UTG this deep into the game is strong, no matter how lag he's been.

    Unless he's super lag, I don't think he does that with a smaller pocket pair that you are dominating.

    AT, AJ would also be spewy.

    AQ, AK possible. Overpair to your 99, also possible.

    Flatting: you can afford it and you have position.

    Folding: you lose your ante, don't have to worry about going broke on a seemingly safe 7-3-5 flop, and can wait for better spot. You can afford this too.

    Raising: the problem with this is I have a feeling dude will come back over the top and you can't continue with 99 unless you have a monster read on dude. You also have the blinds to consider. It's unlikely but certainly possible one of them will wake up with a ahnd. You lose your raise (which, at min will be 24,000).
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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 1:47pm) in reply to cassettecounty

    I don't like flatting here, ever, because flops will have an overcard 80% of the time. If the villian is loose like you said, he's definitely c-betting most flops and more importantly, most of his c-bets are going to commit his stack. You're basically set-mining and the stacks aren't right for that.

    I raise to 30k/call shove/win flip.
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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 2:13pm) in reply to elusively

    Hey elusively...if your play is to raise to 30k then call shove...Why not just ship it in instead of the raise?? Just curious...

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  9. elusively elusively is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 2:24pm) in reply to brendo27

    I think it looks stronger and could potentially fold out hands that you're beating (1010, maybe even JJ). It also allows worse hands to shove that might not call a shove--mainly AQ/88.

    FWIW, I think shoving is fine too, but I think flatting is bad.

    Is a fair UTG opening range AJs+/88+ for a "somewhat loose" villian w/ 24BB's?

    EDIT: Fuck, I don't know if my logic makes sense up top.
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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 2:33pm) in reply to Dan0281

     
    Originally Posted by Dan0281 View Post

    If i'm reading this correctly you're the big blind?

    He's OTB.

    I'm raising to 48000 here (or at least to 36000). I don't always play 99 but you're in position and I think is a good spot to put some pressure on.
  11. brendo27 brendo27 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 3:42pm) in reply to elusively

    Honestly I would put his range even wider...qjs+ 66...this being said you still like the reraise pre with a call of his shove?

    ps...Will add what i did and the flop when i get home from work....

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  12. cassettecounty cassettecounty is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2009 (3/31/2009 4:21pm) in reply to brendo27

     
    Originally Posted by brendo27 View Post

    Honestly I would put his range even wider...qjs+ 66...this being said you still like the reraise pre with a call of his shove?

    I generally would say flatting is bad, but with your stack and position, I think you can outplay him on the flop and you're not really set mining; especially if you have him on a range so wide it includes QJ.

    With that in mind, now you can possibly play any A or K that hits, if he checks to you. Unless he's trapping, a bet there would likely take it down and it would cost you less than it would if you raised or shoved pre.

    If he check/raises you for stacks, you can still let it go.

    All in all a tough spot. If dude is really loose and you raise pre, he's likely going to push with any big A or pocket pair, for you to be crushed or flipping, and you'll have invested 36,000 (if you 3x his raise).

    If you shove and he's loose, you're likely still getting called by any pair that's crushing you and big A for a flip.

    I don't like folding here, so this is one of those situations where I'd take the conservative route and flat. Or fold. Shit, I don't know. :)

    Flat > Fold > Raise > Shove

    Sure.
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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 1:22am) in reply to brendo27

    Im shoving here with your reads on UTG.He has prob got AJs+ but these are the flips you need to win if your trying to run 1st.
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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 5:51am) in reply to thunderchild

    I dunno u pop ur all in...it's a tough spot because even if he is spew he might not respect ur pop any way...I'd like to see some of the better MTT players speak up here (although I see a lot of them spewing too lol). I think near the bubble like u are u need to tread lightly.
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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 2:59pm) in reply to Rad_Dude

    That's the best possible flop for you hand, one that isn't going to come 80% of the time.

    Flatting preflop is bad here IMO.

    Raise/Call > Shove > Fold > Call
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