1. $15+1 9-man turbo SNG on Pokerstars, 8 players remaining. Prizes are 67.50/40.50/27.00

    I had a disagreement with a friend about this hand, and I want your opinion. The disagreement wasn't about how to play the hand, but rather about how most people would play it.

    Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: URanIDIOT (1255 in chips)
    Seat 2: brakin1 (2910 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (1250 in chips)
    Seat 5: Villain (1670 in chips)
    Seat 6: pitharchi (2280 in chips)
    Seat 7: RobeConDa (1155 in chips)
    Seat 8: Texas_Til (1405 in chips)
    Seat 9: NessX (1575 in chips)
    Hero: posts small blind 50
    Villain: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [3h Kh]
    pitharchi: folds
    RobeConDa: folds
    Texas_Til: folds
    NessX: folds
    URanIDIOT: folds
    brakin1: folds
    Hero: ??

    What I would like to know from you is:

    A. How would you play this hand?
    B. How would you expect a random player to play this hand?

    Have fun!

    *EDIT* The disagreement has been resolved. Feel free to give your opinions anyway, and for my take on this hand/results of disagreement, see page 3 of this thread
  2. Jen,

    Is this a turbo or non turbo sng?
  3. It's a turbo....

    a) I'm shoving almost every time

    b) I think the average player at this level limps 30% of the time, raises 3x the blinds 30% of the time, folds 20% and shoves 20%
     
  4.  
    Originally Posted by mesaplayeraz View Post

    Jen,

    Is this a turbo or non turbo sng?

    Turbo (edited OP to reflect that just now, thank you)
    Thread Starter
  5. i think i might shove, i think alot of player 3x here
     
  6. i shove 100% of the time!
  7. It would depend on what I anticipated the BB's calling range to be. If he was a tight player all the way to a normal player, I would shove with no thought. If he was on the looser side and like to make weak calls in the BB, I fold.

    I would bet the vast majority of $16 turbo SnG grinders now would shove here 80-90% of the time.
  8. A. Push or fold depending on the table dinamic. Pushing more then folding though.

    B. Random players would limp 50%, fold 25% and raise to 3 bb's 25%.
  9. Most players shove here. I do not know anyone that wouldn't shove a suited K with 12 bb.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by LookingFLuck View Post


    I do not know anyone that wouldn't shove a suited K with 12 bb.

    Sure you do, LFL. They're just not all that good at turbo SNGs, IMO.
     
  11. With 12.5 BB in that position i'm shoving.

    At the $2-$12 buy in level I play, I would see a lot of players fold that, or raise 2x and then fold to a reraise.
  12. A) fold

    B) flat or 3x

    Really depends on how the table is playing
  13. Id give him a walk most times.
  14. me - im raising this to 250 like 85% of the time folding 15% depending on BB

    random - id say they fold about 45% limp 45% raise 10%
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  15. shove. And I don't think it matters if it's a turbo or not. i'm no sng player but the shove seems standard. I think graps answered part b

    I think the only way wouldn't shove this is if I knew the player was not a restealer and folded too much. Then I might mix in 2-3x, but in a trubo I suspect that is probably not optimal.
  16. I actually tend to fold here more often. I would be semi curious to know how much I'm giving up by folding.

    A random would generally limp. If bb raises, then I would imagine they would generally fold but who knows. I'm using the word "generally" very loosely.
  17. I really think we have too many chips to be shoving. With 1k id prolly ship it errrytime.
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  18. a. fold

    b. min raise/push
     
  19.  
    Originally Posted by Ship Happens View Post

    I really think we have too many chips to be shoving. With 1k id prolly ship it errrytime.

    Agree with this, I'm almost always shipping <1k.
  20. Think i'm folding this a lot of the time... there's still 8 players left, and although the blinds are fairly high, i just don't see the value in shoving here tbh.

    I think most people will flat here and fold to a raise, or raise to 250-300 looking to take it down there. If raised, they'll be forced to call, and if their raise is just flat called they'd prolly just shove any flop.
  21.  
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    Id give him a walk most times.

    god damnit
  22. shove and shove.
     
  23. 1. limp 70% shove 30% (and im a decent turbo player)

    2. they would prob limp

    Looking at the fact that we have 12 big blinds makes it a shove, but if you look at ur M (which is 1250/150 = a little more than 8) makes it not a super standard shove (tho im still shoving some of the time)

    Another thing to factor in is how long the current level will stay at what it is (if theres like 1 min left u shove everytime but if it just changed to this level i am more likely to limp)
  24. I'm folding here... the fact that everyone folded their cards makes it more likely that the villian has a bigger hand. I don't think its worth risking your tournament for 1bb.
  25. I'm all-in.
  26.  
    Originally Posted by Mojo View Post

    the fact that everyone folded their cards makes it more likely that the villian has a bigger hand.

    this made me lol
     
  27.  
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Mojo View Post

    the fact that everyone folded their cards makes it more likely that the villian has a bigger hand.

    this made me lol

    Its true! If you ever play straws, where someone has to get the big straw... if you see a bunch of people with small straws and you have 2 straws left to pick, the likelihood of you getting the big straw is much better.

    Maybe I'm just stupid :<

    I didn't include the part that says "K3 sucks" but I figured that was irrelevant at the time :>
  28. A- Raise or Call mostly calling here due to my stack. will depend on my image and villains play B-random will call this everytime
  29. a.
    i'm probably folding this majority of the time. especially if the villian is The_Venetian. the rest of the time i will limp if the player is shown to be weak. it's a little much to be shoving for 150 at this point, and i haaaate 2.5-4xing here because you're probably going to get shoved on a whole lot...then what?

    b. i think a random will limp and fold to any pressure, or 3x and fold to shove.
  30. A) I just fold...too much to shove and I like other players to think I'm willing to walk without a hand and use that to my advantage later when I need to steal

    B) Random player...jeeeeeeeez...I'd say they are most likely limping here followed close by either a std or minraise, next they fold, then they shove.