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what's your play w JJ here?(any solid pros care to input?)

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  1. bohemian119 bohemian119 is offline BANNED MONEY TRANSFER SCAMMER

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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:15pm)

    no real reads on table. i just find myself up against overpairs a lot in this situation and than get stuck on low flop. raising is out of the question pre imo. what's your play here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18883344239: Early Double - B (143239663), Table 53 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:09:57 ET - 2010/03/01

    Seat 1: kowboyk87 (4,545)

    Seat 2: bohemian119 (5,279)

    Seat 3: wannsen (2,805)

    Seat 4: A NEW ACCOUNT (1,322)

    Seat 5: DJNutstar (2,900)

    Seat 6: GoldfishEmpire (4,694), is sitting out

    Seat 7: AKQJ20 (7,671)

    Seat 8: 27off busts AA (2,300)

    Seat 9: carpus1 (1,405)

    27off busts AA posts the small blind of 50

    carpus1 posts the big blind of 100

    The button is in seat #7

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to bohemian119 [Jd Jc]

    kowboyk87 raises to 400

    bohemian119 has 15 seconds left to act

    bohemian119???
  2. chiptaker31 chiptaker31 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:20pm) in reply to bohemian119

    if raising is out of the uestion then i flat and play for set value
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:26pm) in reply to bohemian119

    I still feel like a raise is the best play here.

    Make it about 1000-1200 and then reevaluate.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:30pm) in reply to bohemian119

    3 bet/call shove.

    4x ep raise is always 99,TT,JJ. You hold the top of his range.
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:32pm) in reply to TurnDownTheSuck

    So you don't have any reads, but you narrowed your villains range to AA, KK, QQ? OPR on your villain only shows a few hundred tournaments, and -37%. I don't think I'm folding here, and probably thinking about a shove. UTG raise ain't what it used to be, imo.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:34pm) in reply to bohemian119

    well if raising is out of the question then wtf is the question, theres only 1 play? ur not thinking of folding are u?
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:37pm) in reply to leakinmoney

    4x raise is 90 percent Ak, the other 10 percent he has 1010 or 99, so 3bet call,
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 4:59pm) in reply to Nole91

     
    Originally Posted by Nole91 View Post

    3 bet/call shove.

    4x ep raise is always 99,TT,JJ. You hold the top of his range.

    100% this, also include AQ/AK, but either way, you're crushing or flipping against his range, seems fine to 3bet/call
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:00pm) in reply to stiverson530

    thanks for all the responses. i din't like the flat option with the whole table behind me, and i also didn't like the raise idea because i'm guessing either AK or QQ+. doubt he's doing this with 10's or lower.

    results...

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18883344239: Early Double - B (143239663), Table 53 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:09:57 ET - 2010/03/01

    Seat 1: kowboyk87 (4,545)

    Seat 2: bohemian119 (5,279)

    Seat 3: wannsen (2,805)

    Seat 4: A NEW ACCOUNT (1,322)

    Seat 5: DJNutstar (2,900)

    Seat 6: GoldfishEmpire (4,694), is sitting out

    Seat 7: AKQJ20 (7,671)

    Seat 8: 27off busts AA (2,300)

    Seat 9: carpus1 (1,405)

    27off busts AA posts the small blind of 50

    carpus1 posts the big blind of 100

    The button is in seat #7

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to bohemian119 [Jd Jc]

    kowboyk87 raises to 400

    bohemian119 has 15 seconds left to act

    bohemian119 folds

    wannsen calls 400

    A NEW ACCOUNT folds

    DJNutstar folds

    GoldfishEmpire folds

    AKQJ20 folds

    27off busts AA folds

    carpus1 folds

    *** FLOP *** [Ts As 5h]

    kowboyk87 bets 557

    wannsen calls 557

    *** TURN *** [Ts As 5h] [9d]

    kowboyk87 bets 1,848

    wannsen calls 1,848, and is all in

    kowboyk87 shows [Ah Kc]

    wannsen shows [Ks Kh]

    *** RIVER *** [Ts As 5h 9d] [2c]

    kowboyk87 shows a pair of Aces

    wannsen shows a pair of Kings

    kowboyk87 wins the pot (5,760) with a pair of Aces

    bohemian119: folded jj

    wannsen is sitting out

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 5,760 | Rake 0

    Board: [Ts As 5h 9d 2c]

    Seat 1: kowboyk87 showed [Ah Kc] and won (5,760) with a pair of Aces

    Seat 2: bohemian119 didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 3: wannsen showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings

    Seat 4: A NEW ACCOUNT didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 5: DJNutstar didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 6: GoldfishEmpire didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 7: AKQJ20 (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 8: 27off busts AA (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 9: carpus1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:01pm) in reply to FenwayKing

     
    Originally Posted by FenwayKing View Post

    100% this, also include AQ/AK, but either way, you're crushing or flipping against his range, seems fine to 3bet/call

    with the whole table behind me to act a 3 bet is smart here...?
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:05pm) in reply to bohemian119

    i dont give a shit about results ur fold is terrible
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:10pm) in reply to leakinmoney

     
    Originally Posted by leakinmoney View Post

    i dont give a shit about results ur fold is terrible

    care to elaborate please?
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:14pm) in reply to bohemian119

    lol really, u say u have no reads yet u narrow his range for 1 raise enough to fold jacks, it makes no sense, i would need a super sick read to fold here... ur in good shape often here and are often dominating his hand u got lucky to be rihgt
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:19pm) in reply to leakinmoney

     
    Originally Posted by leakinmoney View Post

    i dont give a shit about results ur fold is terrible

    This, and how the f#ck do you have scores
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:20pm) in reply to super plaaayer

     
    Originally Posted by super plaaayer View Post


    This, and how the f#ck do you have scores

    lol, by not stacking off with 50bbs holding JJ obv...
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:35pm) in reply to bohemian119

    Waaaaay too nitty. And results mean nothing here- MTTs are a volume game.

    This is a big leak- you're not assigning realistic opening ranges (my post above is a semi level) and are missing out on the opportunity to chip up with a premium hand in position on an initial raiser.

    You simply don't have enough information to make a hero fold in this spot.
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:41pm) in reply to Nole91

     
    Originally Posted by Nole91 View Post

    Waaaaay too nitty. And results mean nothing here- MTTs are a volume game.

    This is a big leak- you're not assigning realistic opening ranges (my post above is a semi level) and are missing out on the opportunity to chip up with a premium hand in position on an initial raiser.

    You simply don't have enough information to make a hero fold in this spot.

    okay so i flat, flop comes 247 villain bets 2/3 to 3/4 pot...than what?

    just seems like there are way better spots than this.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:51pm) in reply to bohemian119

    then u flat... do u know how to play poker?
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:54pm) in reply to leakinmoney

     
    Originally Posted by leakinmoney View Post

    then u flat... do u know how to play poker?

    i dunno, wanna play HU and find out since you know so much...?

    i just flat all my chips away and pray he has 1010 or ak?
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 5:58pm) in reply to bohemian119

    i see the results, and ur fold is still terrible
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:01pm) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

     
    Originally Posted by OfxAxRevolution View Post

    i see the results, and ur fold is still terrible

    how is my fold terrible exactly?
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:04pm) in reply to bohemian119

    nice results oriented brag post.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:07pm) in reply to doomed222

    I like these comedy threads.

    This is like smelling my own farts.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:07pm) in reply to bohemian119

    dude ur an idiot... he makes 1 raise and u give him credit for aa... u can flat and reevaluate further streets... its called poker and sure u wanna play some hu cash il gladly play u
     
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:07pm) in reply to doomed222

     
    Originally Posted by doomed222 View Post

    nice results oriented brag post.

    nice brag about being a troll with nothing helpful to add...
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:08pm) in reply to leakinmoney

     
    Originally Posted by leakinmoney View Post

    dude ur an idiot... he makes 1 raise and u give him credit for aa... u can flat and reevaluate further streets... its called poker and sure u wanna play some hu cash il gladly play u

    b/c i had KK right...?

    anytime you wanna play HU let me know.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:30pm) in reply to bohemian119

    I might be the only one that thinks this isn't the worst fold, especially since it's the Utg making a raise with so many left to act and no real reads, but 3bet and re-evaluate (or in this hand fold) isn't the worst play here IMHO

    OBV the results has nothing to do with your play.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:33pm) in reply to bohemian119

     
    Originally Posted by bohemian119 View Post


    nice brag about being a troll with nothing helpful to add...

    theres nothing helpful to say that hasnt already been said. and you get offended when people tell you you should have played it differently so whats the point.
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 6:33pm) in reply to bohemian119

     
    Originally Posted by bohemian119 View Post


    bohemian119: folded jj

    Why would you ever tell this to the table??
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    Mar 1st, 2010 (3/1/2010 7:00pm) in reply to Alex Moore

     
    Originally Posted by Alex Moore View Post


    Why would you ever tell this to the table??

    b/c i'm normally a very aggro player and wanted to come off super nitty so i can use that image later on.
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