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When can I take tyese stats seriously? 500, 1000, 5000 games?

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  1. alfieo alfieo is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 12:43pm)

    <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="alfieo#fulltilt& E90-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only"><td id="alfieo#fulltilt& E90-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only0" align="center">alfieo<input src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif" onclick="showpreferences();" width="28" height="14" type="image"></td><td align="center">353</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$10 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$15 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">50%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$3,484 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">Tilt</td><td title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align="center">N/A</td><td align="center">FullTilt</td><td align="center">E90-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only </td></tr></tbody></table>

    <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="alfieo#fulltilt& E18-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only"><td id="alfieo#fulltilt& E18-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only4" align="center">alfieo<input src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif" onclick="showpreferences();" width="28" height="14" type="image"></td><td align="center">524</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$7 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$15 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">34%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$3,832 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align="center">N/A</td><td align="center">FullTilt</td><td align="center">E18-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only </td></tr></tbody></table>

    <table id="t1" width="582" border="1" bordercolor="black" height="25"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="alfieo#fulltilt& E45-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only"><td id="alfieo#fulltilt& E45-90 NoLim SNG Only SNG Only1" align="center">alfieo<input src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif" onclick="showpreferences();" width="28" height="14" type="image"></td><td align="center">472</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$8 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$15 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">38%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$3,702 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align="center">N/A</td><td align="center">FullTilt</td><td align="center">E45-90 NoLim SNG Only S Only </td><td>x

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  2. supra1988t supra1988t is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 2:46pm) in reply to alfieo

    2000 is a good sample size IMO.
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  3. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 2:52pm) in reply to supra1988t

     
    Originally Posted by supra1988t View Post

    2000 is a good sample size IMO.

    +1. For just 90 mans 2000-3000 is an ok sample.
     
  4. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 3:41pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

     
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    +1. For just 90 mans 2000-3000 is an ok sample.

    Is this just some mathematical formula to figure out a decent sample size or is this just what the online community views as a decent sample size? Yes, I've been in those classes where the more the better, but like for mtts I've heard 5k, now 90 mans 2-3k...jw where these numbers came from?
  5. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 3:44pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Is this just some mathematical formula to figure out a decent sample size or is this just what the online community views as a decent sample size? Yes, I've been in those classes where the more the better, but like for mtts I've heard 5k, now 90 mans 2-3k...jw where these numbers came from?

    For MTT's, 50k is pretty good. There is a formula although I didn't use one to calculate those numbers. I just said 2000-3000 is ok, but not comp accurate.
     
  6. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 3:53pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

    Im guessing you ment 5k Frank ;)
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  7. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Oct 5th, 2009 (10/5/2009 4:01pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

     
    Originally Posted by ApesAreFun View Post

    Im guessing you ment 5k Frank ;)

    No that was not a typo. People just don't understand the variance of MTT's. Even 50k isn't a good sample really because you will be many times better at tournament # 50,000 compared to tournament #1 so your ROI still just won't be accurate.
     
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