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Advice when to come over the top of a raise.....hard for me to tell when to shove all in......
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Aint that the million dollar question......
you got preflop raises, flop raises, river raises, turn raises all in different amounts and depending on what you have outs wise and what the board is and what your opponents are betting and thier betting pattern...very complex question-to answer it I would say not very often without a good read on your opponent and thier style.
Wes -
The best answer I can give you:
Two reasons to come over a raise--
Reason 1: You think you are best.
How to implement this--
Step 1: Range the raiser based on his position, stack size, opponent's previous behavior, and size of the raise.
Step 2: Tighten the range you get a tad because it's worse $-wise to range him marginally too loose than marginally too tight
Step 3: Compare your hand to his range, and if it beats the range more than 1/2 the time, then reraise.
Reason 2: You think he will fold.
Step 1: Range the raiser based on the above criteria in reason 1.
Step 2: Determine which hands he might hold that he would call a reraise with.
If your opponent will fold 65% of the time to your reraise, it's a good move to reraise 3x his original raise. Drop this number down to 60% if you have Ax-suited, suited connectors, KQ, or some other flexible hand that might be in better shape against a monster than most hands. (For instance, 68s fares better against aces than 94o does.)
Hope that helps!
Jen -
Here is a situation for you.
The action is preflop. You raise 3x from ep with JJ. You get re-raised from cutoff about 4.5x your raise. This is the 3rd hour of an MTT still about 50 spots before the money. You have been at the same table as the cutoff the whole MTT and have a good read on him. You have him on AQ/AK. You are in the lead about 57-43. You are an average stack and the cutoff has you covered by a couple hundred. Do you push/call?
This was an actual hand I had earlier tonight in an MTT. My read was correct, but I wasn't sure about raising/pushing. -
Kevin-
It would depend on your stack deepness.
JJ is a good favorite over AK/AQ, when you only have three board cards showing (the flop).
If you have fold equity, a stop n go will work, betting every time the ace doesn't come.
Of course this only makes sense if you know he will merely call with QQ+ before the flop. -
Here is what I consider the worst hand I have ever played and why I really feel that when you come over the top the cards hardly matter.
Live 1/2nl game at the Orleans in Vegas around New Years.
$300 max buy in
Been playing for about 3 hours and ran my stack up to around $550.
Player 2 to my left had around $500 to start hand, very solid regular who played LAG.
I was in SB and he made a standard UTG raise to $15. Cutoff (extremly weak regular who is also a dealer there) called and just before I mucked 3c6c I decided to see a flop based on my Image. VERY TAG.
flop came ak9 one club and I check called his $20 cont bet with the intention of stealing on turn.
Turn Kc
the perfect card for me
He checked and for some reason something seemed fishy so I checked behind hoping to complete my flush.
River 6h
so now the board read ak9k6
I lead out with what I felt would be my best chance of him folding for $35...I had the same line earlier with the nuts and I felt he would identify the small lead as a value bet.
Well after easliy 3 minutes of shuffling his chips he min raised to $70, my first instinct was insta push. I really felt that something as weak as bottom pair was good here, but I didn't want to lose my tight image and just call. It was that one time when you just know that you have the pot but I couldn't pull the trigger. So after what seemed like an eternity I talked myself out of it and I mucked it. He instantly said..."that weak ace didn't seem so hot huh?" I knew right away he had nothing and of course he showed JTo. I wanted to throw up. Not because of the money, because I knew right then and there that if I would have just followed my read and my gut that the cards wouldn't have mattered. Thats when you know that you can play this game. "When you can win without a hand, you can win no matter what."
Sorry if this got off the topic and was poorly written but I just wanted to show how I felt when the right play would have been to come over the top. Its more of a feeling you need to have until you hold the stone nuts and the cards play themselves.
Oh yeah...the next orbit I busted the guy with broadway on the river when he double checked top set. SHIP IT (brag post) -
NH cru... i enjoyed reading that..
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you shouldve easily insta pushed...he was obv trying to steal the flop hoping you hand like, QQ, and him representing AK or AQ or even a set, then when he checked the turn he knew you had him caught, him thinking you had QQ and not going to throw it away, once he checked the trun you shouldve bet...then he just calls, you check, he bets the river to get you out, then you insta pushed his ass..then say SHIP IT...tough hand but you just can't pull the trigger every hand..nh Cru, cya donkfest
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what dpottz said, especially if a steal position raiser has been active (and has maybe even
laid down previously to a reraise)--then a push on button/blinds can be a good spot. However, I do not like making this play with a weak Ace---would rather have something like 9Ts. Then again, what the heck do I know anyway? Good luck.








