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When to overshove?

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  1. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 4:12am)

    I rarely overshove, but is this a spot on the river where I should?

    Villain has been opening quite wide and playing flops aggressively but has avoided showdown in the 40min that I have been at the table. In two or three pots he has over bet the pot on the river (sometimes quite significantly) that is why I elected to give him a spot to bluff on the river.

    Is his calling range going to be greatly affected if I make it $300 as opposed to shoving? Also, the exact hand before I took a bad beat in a semi-large spot so my line may appear to be steam and could induce looser calls.

    As played, should I over shove in this spot on my c/r?

    pokerstars Game #20470450956: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/09/17 2:13:25 ET
    Table 'Melusina III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Rigboz ($1494.65 in chips)
    Seat 3: mustanggino ($759 in chips)
    Seat 4: chunmin ($970 in chips)
    Seat 5: qjuice14 ($709 in chips)
    Seat 6: TheRogueAce ($1000 in chips)
    Seat 9: ehnoix ($612 in chips)
    qjuice14: posts small blind $5
    TheRogueAce: posts big blind $10
    N00B2007: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to qjuice14 [3d Ad]
    ehnoix: folds
    ehnoix leaves the table
    Rigboz: raises $20 to $30
    BLUFFinSON!! joins the table at seat #9
    mustanggino: folds
    chunmin: calls $30
    qjuice14: calls $25
    TheRogueAce: calls $20
    *** FLOP *** [Ts 7d 6d]
    qjuice14: checks
    TheRogueAce: checks
    Rigboz: checks
    chunmin: checks
    *** TURN *** [Ts 7d 6d] [8d]
    qjuice14: checks
    TheRogueAce: bets $50
    Rigboz: calls $50
    chunmin: folds
    qjuice14: calls $50
    *** RIVER *** [Ts 7d 6d 8d] [2c]
    qjuice14: checks
    TheRogueAce: checks
    Rigboz: bets $60
    qjuice14: raises $240 to $300
    TheRogueAce: folds
    Rigboz: calls $240
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    qjuice14: shows [3d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
    Rigboz: mucks hand
    qjuice14 collected $867 from pot
    Rigboz said, "nh"
     
  2. GrayFOX22 GrayFOX22 is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 4:18am) in reply to qjuice14

    I like it as played, I think an overshove would get a lot of nines to fold there (well sometimes). A slightly larger bet to maybe like 375 would squeeze out a little more profit without tightening his calling range.

    Also, have you played with this guy at all before. Would he think that you were trappy? Has he seen you make spew plays before. In all honesty, if he has seen you make some "wierd" plays before, or he doesn't think you are too tricky, then you could argue for shoving, but I think given the information and his hand, I like it as played, just a slightly larger river bet I think.
     
  3. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 4:32am) in reply to GrayFOX22

    1st time playing with him, I don't play a lot of cash on stars, though I would like to up my volume
     
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  4. perma_tilt perma_tilt is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 4:46am) in reply to qjuice14

    every 4 hands over shove.... it works for all the top pros
  5. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 5:31am) in reply to qjuice14

    played well :) altho i like c/r turn
     
  6. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Sep 17th, 2008 (9/17/2008 2:37pm) in reply to darkcheck_

    normally i would c/r the turn, but I had seen villain make some large over bets on very well coordinated boards on the river, and i thought giving him a chance to do this would maximize my value in this exact spot. i figure he's not calling me on the turn w/ out a 9 x +, and my best chance at value was inducing the bluff. I might be wrong though.
     
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