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When the raise gives you nothing but a shove...

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  1. dankfresh dankfresh is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2009 (3/30/2009 2:32pm)

    I find the worst part of my game is 3x-2.5x raising preflop for a blind steal or actually for value when I have basically 13 bbs or so, and a 3x raise will basically leave me on tilt. Should I be treating my range any different if the only post flop play for me will be to shove/fold? Obviously there are certain hands I'd rather just get it in preflop than post, but say I have K/Q, Q/J suited, or something robust in the cutoff, 7 handed. Is there any benefit to shoving for a blind steal? Should I still raise for value and hope for a good flop, or should I fold or play tighter and min's raise to still play postflop?

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
  2. P33J P33J is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2009 (3/30/2009 5:13pm) in reply to dankfresh

    You should definently just shove those hands from the cutoff with 13bbs, raising with that kind of stack basically commits you to the hand. Easier to shove those hands than get flatted by a blind or the button and have to play on a board you miss. Also if you simply raise with those hands when you hit you are probably going to be letting pairs that you could be flipping against off the hook.
     
  3. dankfresh dankfresh is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 6:55pm) in reply to P33J

    If I get something like Q/K with 13 bbs, UTG, is that worthy enough to shove 7 handed though? I feel like it's not, and if I'm faced with something like Q/K suited in mid position, I don't know whether its more +EV to raise and not die if a flop misses, or to shove and basically hope for a blind steal because its' unlikely I will be called with a worse or less than equal hand, from EP or MP anyway. I feel more comfortable when I'm much deeper stacked, so at what point does a raise fully commit my hand? I always thought it was 1/3 or 1/4 of my stack.

    Thanks again.
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  4. WSOP Legend WSOP Legend is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 10:00pm) in reply to dankfresh

    i'd shove the kqs and qjs. if u shove u might get some players to fold hands they would re-raise u with (putting u in a tough spot obv). obv if u pick up AA u might wanna try to lure them into a re-raise by 3-betting. all the best at the tables...
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    Apr 1st, 2009 (4/1/2009 10:03pm) in reply to dankfresh

    at what point are u committed???? this is always relative on the player re-popping u imo (this is where ur reads come in handy). btw when ur stack is at, under or close to 10 bbs ship those ships in the pot, and dont mess around with standard 3x raises. all the best at the tables...
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