Originally Posted by grapsfan

 

Originally Posted by n2kfactor

Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??

There are hardly any donks in the game I play...

ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why

Then fucking quit. Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to be mean - although I sure feel like it.

But people give you advice in every post you make. Good advice. And you seem to listen to none of it. So, you think everyone plays perfectly...but are looking to call them donks anyway....

I think there's always a donk in the game you play, N2K...wanna guess his name?

So in one hand, you played right with 99, and you got called correctly with AQ, and you lost the flip. Boo fucking hoo. Happens to every single one of us, every single day.

My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip. Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off. Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is. Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.

We all miss those spots...but are trying to improve rather than fucking whine about it. Personally, I hope to have you posting more when you're doing more improving and less whining. But not until then.

Wow...Graps steps up to the hof.

the edge comes from playing and improving always against people who think they are playing perfect always.

not even the best players in the world play perfectly,and they certainly don't play their A games 100% of the time in every single tournament.

Not to mention everyone but the top 5% of tournament players suck.

 

Originally Posted by SowersUNCC

the edge comes from playing and improving always against people who think they are playing perfect always.

this needs love

 

Originally Posted by 7CardRyon

there is no edge.

lol do NOT listen to this, if Ryon cannot find a game where he has an edge in NL hold'em, he is truly a retard

:(

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

 

Originally Posted by n2kfactor

Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??

There are hardly any donks in the game I play...

ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why

Then fucking quit. Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to be mean - although I sure feel like it.

But people give you advice in every post you make. Good advice. And you seem to listen to none of it. So, you think everyone plays perfectly...but are looking to call them donks anyway....

I think there's always a donk in the game you play, N2K...wanna guess his name?

So in one hand, you played right with 99, and you got called correctly with AQ, and you lost the flip. Boo fucking hoo. Happens to every single one of us, every single day.

My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip. Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off. Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is. Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.

We all miss those spots...but are trying to improve rather than fucking whine about it. Personally, I hope to have you posting more when you're doing more improving and less whining. But not until then.

NOW THAT'S a fucking dose of truth... WP Graps. Keep it real for the damn whin-a-potamus crew.

 

Originally Posted by srooney3

 

Originally Posted by JonBon-10

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.

OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.

Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time.

Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway

Have you taken a stats class before? I hope so...

To add to this--We have no clue what cards are coming so it is unpredictable, unknown and variant in nature.
And just throwing this out there... Sure you think you are in a coin flip situation when you have 2 overs against an under pair but isn't that the internal optimist in all of us? The value in a "coin flip" is more variance laden than people think. In most cases I think it's safe to assume (if anyone has the stats to back this up I'd appreciate it) that two overs has much less value at a 9 handed table than roughly 50 percent because of the 14 cards already in the muck. So when most people are taking these "flips" I'd almost guarantee the pocket pair has a much greater win rate in the long run, especially in MTT's and full ring games. Maybe that's obvious to most posters but it seems like every time someone writes a post on here about getting it in with two overs vs a PP that they are getting roughly 50/50 value and I'd say that's probably more the exception than the rule...

 

Originally Posted by ImaLucSac

Click buttons! Win moneys! Yay!

pretty much this. blind retarded agression ftw

 

Originally Posted by jaykay24

 

Originally Posted by jsagan77

 

Originally Posted by srooney3

 

Originally Posted by JonBon-10

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.

OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.

Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time.

Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway

Have you taken a stats class before? I hope so...

To add to this--We have no clue what cards are coming so it is unpredictable, unknown and variant in nature.
And just throwing this out there... Sure you think you are in a coin flip situation when you have 2 overs against an under pair but isn't that the internal optimist in all of us? The value in a "coin flip" is more variance laden than people think. In most cases I think it's safe to assume (if anyone has the stats to back this up I'd appreciate it) that two overs has much less value at a 9 handed table than roughly 50 percent because of the 14 cards already in the muck. So when most people are taking these "flips" I'd almost guarantee the pocket pair has a much greater win rate in the long run, especially in MTT's and full ring games. Maybe that's obvious to most posters but it seems like every time someone writes a post on here about getting it in with two overs vs a PP that they are getting roughly 50/50 value and I'd say that's probably more the exception than the rule...

Um, No... no it isnt.

Nice insightful post...

The great thing about poker is that it is endogenous: if everyone at the table is playing "perfect" poker - it will actually pay to not play so perfect. Spotting these opportunities, i.e. how to play when and against whom is what distinguishes a good pro from well....me.

 

Originally Posted by dgillis

 playing a perfect game is impossible unless your playing a zero sum game. any game that involves incomplete information is impossible to play perfectly.

Zero-sum just means that the losses and winnings of all of the players balance out. It doesn't preclude having incomplete information. Poker is a zero-sum game when you play it with no rake (or if you consider the house a player).