Dunno for sure. Fly is sick and posts here regular so he can prolly help you.

I think they are between 20-30% with fairly insane volume.

Jitterbug is up 100k in them, not sure what his roi is, but it cant be that bad. Not sure if he still plays them either.

Is 3,599 games a decent enough sample fo you?

<table id="t1" border="1"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="staknchips83#pokerstars& E180-180 S10-15 Spd=T SNG Only"><td id="staknchips83#pokerstars& E180-180 S10-15 Spd=T SNG Only0" align="center">staknchips83<input src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif" mce_src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif" onclick="showpreferences();" height="16" type="image" width="16"></td><td align="center">3,599</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$6 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$11 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game’s Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">47%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$20,209 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align="center">N/A</td><td align="center">PokerStars</td><td align="center">E180-180 S10-15 Spd=T SNG Only </td><td>x</td></tr></tbody></table>

While playing a few $12 180 man competitions, I have seen some regs make some pretty obvious mistakes (to me). I think that some good low stakes grinders will maintain a 20-30% ROI, while players who are capable of crushing higher levels will be in the 40-50% range.

What kind of mistake's can you elaborate?

I still find myself is wtf spots often!

I don't know who still plays them, I stopped a few months ago but Bfizz was the best when I stopped. Shen888 and LittleHippie also had some of the best results last year.

My ROI was 24% I think when I stopped, and obviously it is possible to be better than that. But if you are just starting off (and are competent), I think that is a reasonable goal.

they will eventually make you pull out your own eyes and chew off your tongue

THe 12/ 180 turbos drive me insane as I'd like a little play to get a stack b4 it's P/F time. There was a post the other day where someone wanted 3k stacks in em. I heartily agree with that - but obviously it's not going to happen.

That said, I was playing a few 3r 180's yesterday, and noticed the payouts are almost as big as for a $12/180 but give you effectively that 3k start stack. Seems to me you'd be able to put up even sicker numbers (Profit and ROI) playing these for 1r 1a at $9 when 1st is paying a little over $500 vs the $540 for the $12's.

Also, I think Jennifear has some sik 180 man stats. Not a SS sub but it looks like around 1361 games, 10.5k profit, ~50% ROI (Estimating since I can't slice/dice the graph and don't have the buyin amount split out.)

Here's my stats sliced and diced:

<TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 border=1><THEAD> <TR class=sortTable><TH class=sortTableasc width=140>Username</TH><TH class=sortTable>Games Played</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Stake</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. ROI</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Total Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable>Form</TH><TH class=sortTable>Ability /100</TH><TH class=sortTable>Network</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Filter</TH></TR></THEAD> <TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="PunkinBear#pokerstars& E180-180 S10-15 Spd=T"><TD class=sortTable id="PunkinBear#pokerstars& E180-180 S10-15 Spd=T1" align=middle>PunkinBear<INPUT onclick=showpreferences(); type=image height=16 width=16 src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif" mce_src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>1,147</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$9 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$11 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game’s Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>72%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$9,962 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="W = Win. P = Payout. L = Loss." align=middle>LLLLLLLL</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>N/A</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>$12 180-man </TD><TD class=sortTable>x</TD></TR><TR class=sortTablealt id="PunkinBear#pokerstars& E180-180"><TD class=sortTable id="PunkinBear#pokerstars& E180-1800" align=middle>PunkinBear<INPUT onclick=showpreferences(); type=image height=16 width=16 src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif" mce_src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/icons/shark.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>1,363</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$8 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$13 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game’s Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>62%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$10,361 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="W = Win. P = Payout. L = Loss." align=middle>LLPLLLLL</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>N/A</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>All 180 man</TD><TD class=sortTable>x</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Anyway I have run well in these, so imo this is not indicative of what my long term stats would be.

I think a perfect player could earn 55% ROI, a superb player who multitables could earn 45%, and a very good grinder who makes a few mistakes here and there could earn 30-40%.

 

Originally Posted by bankrollme87

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Pretty awful example considering he has played less than 500 games.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Pretty awful example considering he has played less than 500 games.

So true, thought I was a god in these for the first 600 games, haven't been near them in months now (they scare me)

been noticing a lot of mid-high stakes pros in them lately unfortunately

took down gavin griffin HU yday

had spacegravy at my table last week (til i took all his chips)

wish i ran as well vs donks as i do vs ps pros

 

Originally Posted by tsxxx04

been noticing a lot of mid-high stakes pros in them lately unfortunately

took down gavin griffin HU yday

had spacegravy at my table last week (til i took all his chips)

wish i ran as well vs donks as i do vs ps pros

I bet ya did a phenomenal job...

EDIT: lol tammy sighhhhhhh

 

Originally Posted by tsxxx04

that's how i roll, yo :)

do you get a bounty for knockin out a stars pro or is that straight FTP's department

def haven't gotten a bounty either time i knocked out one of their pros..that would be sweet though

i think ps runs something on tuesdays where you get bounties for knocking them out..not sure if that's just specific tourneys though.