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  1. Arsonist88 Arsonist88 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 6:30pm)

    I am not asking what you think you would do... I am asking what would you actually do... if you were in the exact spot.


    pokerstars Game #48147895851: Tournament #325010002, $300+$20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/08/14 13:24:20 ET
    Table '325010002 25' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: pastika (2955 in chips)
    Seat 2: excortexex (2500 in chips)
    Seat 4: philbort (2790 in chips)
    Seat 5: helst66 (3175 in chips)
    Seat 6: miraculix06 (3345 in chips)
    Seat 7: mv120756 (3805 in chips)
    Seat 8: Zolee21 (3765 in chips)
    Seat 9: 88Arsonist88 (3150 in chips)
    helst66: posts small blind 15
    miraculix06: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 88Arsonist88 [Kd Kh]
    mv120756: folds
    Zolee21: folds
    88Arsonist88: raises 60 to 90
    pastika: folds
    excortexex: raises 90 to 180
    philbort: folds
    helst66: folds
    miraculix06: folds
    88Arsonist88: raises 360 to 540
    excortexex: raises 420 to 960
    88Arsonist88:


    "No matter how much you "know" they have AA... do you still get it in or do you actually find a fold?
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  2. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 6:34pm) in reply to Arsonist88

    http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...9B16B.html?t=9

    Folding for sure if I check opr in the moment...obviously call if he jams pre, folding if he makes this stupid ass raise. EDIT: 320s mean more to me tourney-life wise than a 26 tho.
    Edited By: bef99hwk Aug 14th, 2010 at 06:35 PM
  3. TeddyKGB109 TeddyKGB109 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 6:42pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    I get it in here, with the blinds so low I couldn't narrow the villain's range to strictly AA given his min reraise and him having position on you, I think the majority of players will reraise bigger with AA when the blinds are so small relative to the stack sizes.

    Also the villain's stats are pretty bad according to OPR, so the random donk factor comes into play.

    That said, ul for running KK into AA in unlimited Texas hold them.
     
  4. theVisionary theVisionary is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 6:46pm) in reply to TeddyKGB109

    If its my 21st birthday I'd probably be out partying, not posting on forums :) Happy birthday mate
    Edited By: theVisionary Aug 14th, 2010 at 06:47 PM
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  5. Arsonist88 Arsonist88 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 6:58pm) in reply to theVisionary

     
    Originally Posted by theVisionary View Post

    If its my 21st birthday I'd probably be out partying, not posting on forums :) Happy birthday mate

    Ha, and missing the FTOPS 2k............ doubt it.

    =] thanks bro.
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  6. coolhandkev coolhandkev is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 9:27pm) in reply to Arsonist88

    If you were really active and 3 and 4 betting a lot and I'm the other player I would definitely find it easier to 5 bet with a wider range than just AA in a spot like this. Obviously this can't be the case at 15-30 blinds. Since your question is what would you do in the moment I would probably jam because I'd convince myself that AK and QQ were in his range. Realistically it's still probably a jam even after thinking about it for awhile. If he has AA I hate his 5-bet against a competent player - calling the 4 bet there with AA has to be way more profitable.
  7. MattElsarelli MattElsarelli is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 9:45pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    go all in, then im all my m8s about how bad i run.
     
  8. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 10:13pm) in reply to MattElsarelli

    nice bluff there...prolly muck em say uhhh and try to bluff better next hand
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  9. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 10:23pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    sick bluff bro

    FYP
     
  10. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 10:40pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

    I shove and say oh well fuck me
  11. Jason2890 Jason2890 is offline plays plo for overlays

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 11:33pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

    Pretty obvious he has AA here given his awful OPR rating. He played his hand exactly how an amateur would play AA trying to maximize value. Muck this. If you had more chips behind, then I'd call and try to set mine, but as played, let it go.
  12. The Baby Bull The Baby Bull is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2010 (8/14/2010 11:52pm) in reply to Jason2890

    Been here, shoved here, whined about coolers here. Can't see that I'd do it any differently in this spot.
    Edited By: The Baby Bull Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:53 PM
    Reason: Assuming, of course, that I foolishly registered for a $320 in the first place
     
  13. Big Huni Big Huni is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 1:11am) in reply to The Baby Bull

    dont 4b if ur gonna fold pre
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  14. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 1:33am) in reply to Big Huni

    Im getting it in.
     
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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 1:36am) in reply to Big Huni

     
    Originally Posted by Big Huni View Post

    dont 4b if ur gonna fold pre

    normally I'd 100% agree with this, and if he shoves its a snap call. But when he makes this ridiculous raise it is almost as if he is turning his hand face up. The fact is you don't even have to look at his stats to know he is a bad player, no halfway decent thinking player would ever take this line ever. Normally I would say never fold KK pre in a normal structured online tournament, but if ever was the time this would be it. With all that being said I still prob shove on him and cuss at myself when he shows AA for not following my gut.
    Edited By: herbstreet24 Aug 15th, 2010 at 01:37 AM
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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 9:23am) in reply to herbstreet24

    def. not a spot where im folding KK

    there was a post a couple weeks back where there was a cold 5 bet from a solid player and the OP was the 3 better in the 1st lvl or something - anyway that was the only post ive seen so far where folding KK is the right play IMO
    Edited By: tmac2424 Aug 15th, 2010 at 09:23 AM
  17. HoodedZebra HoodedZebra is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 12:09pm) in reply to tmac2424

    im getting it in and going to buy a new computer the next day
  18. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 1:08pm) in reply to HoodedZebra

    He has aces here the majority of the time and Id fold queens here but as played I probably get it in and then complain to everyone afterwards how bad I run in stars $320 freezeouts


    Happy Birthday btw bro
    Edited By: The Lab Rat Aug 15th, 2010 at 01:09 PM
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  19. iMBeAmiN iMBeAmiN is offline says account was hacked when this post was made -- trade with caution

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 1:45pm) in reply to The Baby Bull

    yup yup

     
    Originally Posted by The Baby Bull View Post

    Been here, shoved here, whined about coolers here. Can't see that I'd do it any differently in this spot.


    yup yup
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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 2:48pm) in reply to Big Huni

     
    Originally Posted by Big Huni View Post

    dont 4b if ur gonna fold pre

    +1

    Your're only narrowing his range bcuz you have KK. If you had QQ then you'd say 'he must have KK, AA' point is would he only do this with AA? probably not. He would do this with a few other holdings. Do the EV against his range and I think you'll see that folding is not profitable
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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 4:27pm) in reply to Big Huni

     
    Originally Posted by Big Huni View Post

    dont 4b if ur gonna fold pre

    this is why ur legend status is growing everywhere...best answer
  22. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2010 (8/15/2010 6:25pm) in reply to Tigerspot

    How many times do you win when you call and you 'know' your beat !
    Not very often !
    I think its less than 40%.
    More like 20-30% ?
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