After the flop, I would go broke, but I think I would have folded after a 4x raise UTG. What are you hoping by calling with 10 10? That you would hit a set (you did but that's besides the point) or that you could outplay someone that raised 4x? What if the flop came Q 9 2 and UTG made the same 600 bet? Would you fold?

My oipinion is that it's not the time to gamble and you should have discarded the 10 10 after the UTG raise.

 

Originally Posted by evry

After the flop, I would go broke, but I think I would have folded after a 4x raise UTG. What are you hoping by calling with 10 10? That you would hit a set (you did but that's besides the point) or that you could outplay someone that raised 4x? What if the flop came Q 9 2 and UTG made the same 600 bet? Would you fold?

My oipinion is that it's not the time to gamble and you should have discarded the 10 10 after the UTG raise.

would you really fold 10 10 here in a 4.40 with 2 donks i dont know how bad he is but you could reraise and try to take the pot down right there but after you hit the flop then no way you can fold with a set to these donks

Particularly given your read, you have to 3bet this pre. Yes, you'll be committed...and yes, once in awhile he'll show up with a big pair.

 

Originally Posted by 4BETUONTURN

would you really fold 10 10 here in a 4.40 with 2 donks i dont know how bad he is but you could reraise and try to take the pot down right there but after you hit the flop then no way you can fold with a set to these donks

It would depend on the table, but I don't think that you have gotten enough information to judge whether someone's a true donk this early. The more I play, the more wary I become of judging others and don't risk as much.

About a month ago, i would say that I would call or reraise in this situation, but the more I get into the poker frame of mind, the more I realize that there will be other times to put my money in and I don't get overly excited about 10 10 (although it's my fvority hand) in middle position after an UTG raise to 4x the big blind. BTW, that's about 15% of your chip stack and a bigger percentage of his.....do you think he's BS'ing (even if he's a donkey) and reraising with nothing?

 

Originally Posted by Fenety

Both the other players are retards, make absolutely atrocious plays, I don't think a reraise preflop would help me out in this situtation because both of them could come over the top with anything, and I could also just be racing when I dont have to.I wanted to peel a flop and then evaluate. Really scary board. Both of their ranges could be anything, small pp and up, suited connectors. I was crushing this table until kk < a6. What would be your play here? I think I have to go broke??

pokerstars Game #19088807573: Tournament #97873028, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/07/25 - 10:18:27 (ET)
Table '97873028 9' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Fenety (4500 in chips)
Seat 3: skoal80 (3113 in chips)
Seat 4: X-Ception26 (11965 in chips)
Seat 5: looloo62 (789 in chips)
Seat 6: ilegiuli76 (14937 in chips)
Seat 7: LukeJ79 (1220 in chips)
Seat 8: SKB6307 (2954 in chips)
Seat 9: 1Stage Hand (2495 in chips)
ilegiuli76: posts small blind 75
LukeJ79: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fenety [Td Ts]
X-Ception26 said, "gettin the good cards"
SKB6307: raises 450 to 600
1Stage Hand: folds
Fenety: calls 600
skoal80: folds
X-Ception26: folds
looloo62: folds
ilegiuli76: calls 525
LukeJ79: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th Js]
ilegiuli76: checks
SKB6307: bets 600
Fenety: raises 1200 to 1800
ilegiuli76: calls 1800
SKB6307: raises 554 to 2354 and is all-in
Fenety: calls 554
ilegiuli76: calls 554
*** TURN *** [Kc Th Js] [Ac]
ilegiuli76: checks
Fenety: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th Js Ac] [4h]
ilegiuli76: checks
Fenety: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ilegiuli76: shows [Ah 9c] (a pair of Aces)
SKB6307: shows [Kh Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
Fenety: mucks hand
SKB6307 collected 9012 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9012 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Th Js Ac 4h]
Seat 1: Fenety mucked [Td Ts]
Seat 3: skoal80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: X-Ception26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: looloo62 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ilegiuli76 (small blind) showed [Ah 9c] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: LukeJ79 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: SKB6307 showed [Kh Kd] and won (9012) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 9: 1Stage Hand folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I agree with folding TT a high % of the time here. Unless you are perfectly comfortable and confident with getting TT in here on a flop with overcards. I'll make the assumption that if an overcard comes on the flop -- that you are shutting down.

4x UTG raise is super strong and again, as mentioned before, you really are set mining here.

As played -- flop = time to go broke. You flop what appears to be GIN, so you have to go w/ the hand.

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

Doesnt this mean youd want to raise so they can come over the top with hands like A9? If they are as crazy as you say, and their range is that wide, I think you want to 3-bet with the intention of calling a push here. Yes, occasionally you will be racing or facing an overpair, but i think you have to raise here. Not to mention you only have 30BB which is not deepstacked by any means

Also, as a previous response already said, I think you have to raise here to take the aggressive lead in the hand, if an overcard flops (which i believe happens 70% of the time) and he bets out you have no idea where you are. Not to mention it sounds like you are scared of an overpair here because he made it 4x, which means even if the flop comes 9 high are you gonna give him credit for kings all of the sudden instead of AK?

I think you are right, I should have raised preflop, the amount of times he shows up with nothing are pretty high. The guy after me was a complete nut, playing all his hands so I wasnt worried about him.