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Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2010/05/24 21:49:02 ET
Table '276222492 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 415pardy (2638 in chips)
Seat 2: MD_TERPS_FAN (6763 in chips)
Seat 3: soole_s (10034 in chips)
Seat 4: mrs kingolof (4287 in chips)
Seat 6: eaman123 (2590 in chips)
Seat 7: Krafty189 (4259 in chips)
Seat 8: ricocoelho (4752 in chips)
415pardy: posts the ante 25
MD_TERPS_FAN: posts the ante 25
soole_s: posts the ante 25
mrs kingolof: posts the ante 25
eaman123: posts the ante 25
Krafty189: posts the ante 25
ricocoelho: posts the ante 25
eaman123: posts small blind 200
Krafty189: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Krafty189 [Ac Qs]
ricocoelho: folds
415pardy: folds
MD_TERPS_FAN: raises 800 to 1200
soole_s: folds
mrs kingolof: folds
eaman123: raises 1365 to 2565 and is all-in
Krafty189: ??????? -
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I do. Never folding AQ with <10 BBs.
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all in 100% of the time everytime
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Joined: Mar 09May 25th, 2010 (5/25/2010 2:01pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster
I agree.Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster
Im pretty sure folding is optimal here.
AQ is decent and your getting short stacked.
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I shove, tough break you ran into AK tho
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+1Originally Posted by Steve Murkle
fold and its close
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It depends on what has been going on at the table but with no reads, I think I'm folding here... Close but I think you can find a better spot where you're not fighting off essentially two all ins
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The Law
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there are tools to figure this out mathematically. they take into account the original raiser's calling range. The shover's range. The chances of people waking up with monster's behind you. Somebody should calculate this and see what the most optimal play is.
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Joined: Mar 10May 25th, 2010 (5/25/2010 3:59pm) in reply to bonflizubi
Is this guy for real? The guy with 6BBs has a range tighter than AQ?Originally Posted by bonflizubi
agreed. You are at least behind the shortie - if not the original raise. I don't like being 3rd in with AQ unless I have like 30bb and am shoving with a ton of FE -
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We are shoving MD folds villian has A10o and we collect.
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Unless you have a read that MD only opens with AQ+ here (which there are some people who do that), it is a shove. But if you dont have a read on MD, there a tons of people who will be snapping with AT, AJ of course knowing the buy in would help figure out the ranges, but we dont have that.
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Thanks for the input...here was the full hand.. no reads..i think shoving is the optimal play also
Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2010/05/24 21:49:02 ET
Table '276222492 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 415pardy (2638 in chips)
Seat 2: MD_TERPS_FAN (6763 in chips)
Seat 3: soole_s (10034 in chips)
Seat 4: mrs kingolof (4287 in chips)
Seat 6: eaman123 (2590 in chips)
Seat 7: Krafty189 (4259 in chips)
Seat 8: ricocoelho (4752 in chips)
415pardy: posts the ante 25
MD_TERPS_FAN: posts the ante 25
soole_s: posts the ante 25
mrs kingolof: posts the ante 25
eaman123: posts the ante 25
Krafty189: posts the ante 25
ricocoelho: posts the ante 25
eaman123: posts small blind 200
Krafty189: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Krafty189 [Ac Qs]
ricocoelho: folds
415pardy: folds
MD_TERPS_FAN: raises 800 to 1200
soole_s: folds
mrs kingolof: folds
eaman123: raises 1365 to 2565 and is all-in
Krafty189: raises 1669 to 4234 and is all-in
MD_TERPS_FAN: calls 3034
*** FLOP *** [9d 5h 5d]
*** TURN *** [9d 5h 5d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 5h 5d 2c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Krafty189: shows [Ac Qs] (a pair of Fives)
MD_TERPS_FAN: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
MD_TERPS_FAN collected 3338 from side pot
eaman123: shows [As Td] (a pair of Fives)
MD_TERPS_FAN collected 7870 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11208 Main pot 7870. Side pot 3338. | Rake 0
Board [9d 5h 5d 2c 6c]
Seat 1: 415pardy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MD_TERPS_FAN showed [Jc Jh] and won (11208) with two pair, Jacks and Fives
Seat 3: soole_s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mrs kingolof (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: eaman123 (small blind) showed [As Td] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 7: Krafty189 (big blind) showed [Ac Qs] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: ricocoelho folded before Flop (didn't bet) -
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Didn't mean that- figured he is likely to have a really big ace or a pocket pair since he knows he is getting called. Why shove here otherwise when you get the button next?Originally Posted by prodi84
Is this guy for real? The guy with 6BBs has a range tighter than AQ?
So, wondering, I went to the ICM calculator and punched it up: If I got it right it says AQ is a call.
ICM Nash Calculator Results
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Level: 200.0/400.0/25.0
Structure: 1.0
Players: 6
Runtime: 571ms [300 Iterations]
<table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2" border="1"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th><th>Stack</th><th>Push%</th><th>EQPre</th><th>EQPost</th><th>EQDiff</th></tr><tr><td>UTG</td><td>4752.0</td><td>19.8%</td><td>0.1879</td><td>0.1894</td><td>0.00152</td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>2638.0</td><td>30.6%</td><td>0.1043</td><td>0.1069</td><td>0.00259</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>6763.0</td><td>31.2%</td><td>0.2674</td><td>0.2703</td><td>0.00288</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>4287.0</td><td>36.7%</td><td>0.1695</td><td>0.1732</td><td>0.00367</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>2590.0</td><td>78.3%</td><td>0.1024</td><td>0.0996</td><td>-0.00285</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>4259.0</td><td>0.1684</td><td>0.1606</td><td>-0.00781</td></tr></tbody></table>
Explanation:- Stack: Players stack before posting blinds.
- Push%: Percentage of hands a player open-pushes.
- EQPre: ICM equity before blinds.
- EQPost: ICM equity after hand.
- EQDiff: ICM equity change during hand.
<table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2" border="1"><tbody><tr><th width="40">PU</th><th width="40">CA</th><th width="40">OC</th><th>Range</th></tr><tr><td>UTG</td><td>19.8%, 22+ A3s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s</td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>10.0%, 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>9.8%, 44+ ATs+ AJo+ KJs+ QJs</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>10.1%, 44+ A9s+ ATo+</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>10.1%, 44+ A9s+ ATo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>6.0%, 77+ AQs+ AQo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>13.9%, 33+ A7s+ A9o+ KJs+ KQo QJs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>9.8%, 44+ ATs+ AJo+ KJs+ QJs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>14.5%, 33+ A7s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo</td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>30.6%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>14.2%, 33+ A7s+ A9o+ KTs+ KQo QJs</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>10.0%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+ QJs JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.3%, 55+ ATs+ ATo+ KJs+ QJs</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>15.1%, 33+ A7s+ A8o+ KTs+ KQo QJs</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>12.4%, 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.0%, 55+ ATs+ ATo+ KJs+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>23.4%, 22+ A2s+ A5o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>19.3%, 33+ A7s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T8s+ 97s+ 87s 76s</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>32.1%, 22+ Ax+ K4s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T8s+ 98s</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>31.2%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 97s+ 87s</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>14.0%, 44+ A7s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>10.0%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+ QJs JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.0%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+ QJs JTs</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>24.3%, 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>15.7%, 33+ A7s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>23.1%, 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>36.7%, 22+ Ax+ K3s+ K9o+ Q6s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 76s 65s</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>29.1%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>19.6%, 33+ A4s+ A8o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo JTs</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>29.1%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ JTs</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>78.3%, 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T4o+ 92s+ 96o+ 83s+ 86o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>65.3%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J4o+ T3s+ T6o+ 95s+ 97o+ 86s+ 87o 76s</td></tr></tbody></table>
Explanation:- PU: Pushing Player. Applies when no other player entered the pot yet.
- CA: Calling Player. Player pushes after another player (PU) is already in the pot.
- OC: OverCalling Player. Player pushes after two other players (PU, CA) are already in the pot.
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without results I shove
with results I FOLD xD
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