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whos stacking off with AK here?

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  1. Brain Damage Brain Damage is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 8:50pm)

    Cant rem all the details but i do know we were pretty deep and villain had been active flatting and winning w/o showdown. So my thought process was hes def firing if checked to, so i elected to check raise. the board was pretty scary and i wanted to end the hand right here. should i be check calling all non harmful streets, bet/calling, or check raising like i did? I've got tptk w re draw in case..o shit forgot about bet fold..maybe thats the best option?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #16415501022: $28,000 Guarantee (121157551), Table 134 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:12:49 ET - 2009/11/30
    Seat 1: ohhdealdeal (76,812)
    Seat 2: chaz2111 (58,140)
    Seat 3: melnicatchit (21,792)
    Seat 4: hissinglizard (13,148)
    Seat 5: brunning (17,510)
    Seat 6: TheNugMan (77,226)
    Seat 7: Slightly_stupid (86,532)
    Seat 9: ericthehalfabee (161,124)
    ohhdealdeal antes 300
    chaz2111 antes 300
    melnicatchit antes 300
    hissinglizard antes 300
    brunning antes 300
    TheNugMan antes 300
    Slightly_stupid antes 300
    ericthehalfabee antes 300
    melnicatchit posts the small blind of 1,200
    hissinglizard posts the big blind of 2,400
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Slightly_stupid [Kh Ac]
    brunning has 15 seconds left to act
    brunning folds
    TheNugMan folds
    Slightly_stupid raises to 5,550
    ericthehalfabee calls 5,550
    ohhdealdeal folds
    chaz2111 folds
    melnicatchit folds
    hissinglizard folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jh As Qh]
    Slightly_stupid checks
    ericthehalfabee has 15 seconds left to act
    ericthehalfabee bets 12,000
    Slightly_stupid has 15 seconds left to act
    Slightly_stupid raises to 80,682, and is all in
     
  2. Leet8s Leet8s is offline usausausausausa

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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:10pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    The chip stacks in your HH don't work out. The only person with 80682 or more chips before the hand started was MP2 who you say bet 12K on the flop so it had to be someone else who shoved that much. Also, no MP1 in the stack names
     
  3. Brain Damage Brain Damage is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:17pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    here we go dunno how i chopped the conversion so bad lol.
     
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  4. xxd33pxx xxd33pxx is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:24pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    Any reads on him??? Has he been flatting alot of raises??? Wierd spot but shoving looks pretty standard to me.
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:26pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    I think part of the problem with your check raise all in is that the only real benefit is driving drawing hands out of the pot, and the downside is that you will only be called by a better hand, including both AQ and AJ which you normally would get a lot of value out of. A lot of it comes down to your read on the opponent. I would personally lead out at the flop, since I would feel that I have the best hand and don't want to give a free card. If I am raised, then I would have to go with my read based on bet sizing and history. The real problem with AK on this flop is that you are losing to both AQ and AJ, which really polarizes your opponents range to bluffs, and better hands when he re-raises the flop. If I felt the player was bluffing, I would be tempted to just reshove, but if I really felt he was weak I would just smooth call it and slowplay. I think check calling on this flop would be pretty bad, since you are just setting yourself up to get outplayed, but the one upside is that if the turn and river are super scary you can get away from the hand.

    If you check raise all in, then you have no information at all; if you instead lead out, then you can make a read on the opponent based on their action. By leading out you put more hands in your opponents range (as opposed to his bet/call shove range), making your play potentially more profitable than just picking off a loose bet on the flop, and at the same time give yourself a chance to get away from the hand if you somehow become convinced you are beat.
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:28pm) in reply to xxd33pxx

     
    Originally Posted by xxd33pxx View Post

    Any reads on him??? Has he been flatting alot of raises??? Wierd spot but shoving looks pretty standard to me.

    I didnt see him get all his chips...I dont think i ever saw him 3 bet. I saw him flat opens in mid pos like this and twice i saw his opponents check fold. when oop.
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:31pm) in reply to calhoun137

    Lead this flop for ~7-9k make your next decision based on reads imo.
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:45pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp View Post

    Lead this flop for ~7-9k make your next decision based on reads imo.

    This is prob the way to go
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:51pm) in reply to mdshack14

    man i guess bet folding sounds the best against this guy...but i could easily be getting exploited by a flush draw, a10, or any pair combo draw.
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 9:52pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    Not a bad flop to check behind... I would prefer to polarize my betting range in this spot to AQ+ and airy type hands that easily fold to a check/raise.

    There is an argument to betting as you can get value from hands like KQ, QT, TT, KK, AT, JT. But it sucks to bet/fold top-top, and it's probably better than bet/calling off your stack.
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:18pm) in reply to leftygrove

    sigh.

    without any reads, probably going to bet fold this and wait for a better spot.
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:29pm) in reply to random.chu

    I always here people talk about better spots and i never really understand what they mean. There was like 35 people left and you are either owning with a big stack or your treding looking for AK and a coin. sure i could find a nice 3 bet steal spot or wake up with AA vs KK...but this one just seems like a spot I had to go with becuase of all the hands he could be betting with. i dunno. thanks for responses.

    oh also he had AhJd fwiw
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:38pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    change slightly to really/very and /thread....

    jk but obv never check/jam here as u do nothing but fold out those that ur ahead of and u get snapped off drawing very thin. i bet/fold here most of the time here
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:46pm) in reply to Brain Damage

     lead fold imo- i feel like check shipping is almost turning ur hand into a bluff on this board
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:52pm) in reply to jm5under

    I'm definitely a retard. bet fold it is. He did use his whole time bank tho and was upset about making the call via chat... o so close to being successful.
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 10:58pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    check/call all streets
     
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    Dec 1st, 2009 (12/1/2009 11:23pm) in reply to qjuice14

     
    Originally Posted by qjuice14 View Post

    check/call all streets

    really?  check/call down seems pretty exploitable
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