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  1. burnses_suite burnses_suite is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 6:59pm)

    pokerstars Game #39452436204: Tournament #241060961, $1.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/02/08 16:53:49 PT [2010/02/08 19:53:49 ET]
    Table '241060961 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: oscariusco (1830 in chips)
    Seat 2: E.Valente (1490 in chips)
    Seat 3: ben4808 (1400 in chips)
    Seat 4: marceloandre (1470 in chips)
    Seat 5: djtom420 (1450 in chips)
    Seat 6: JoRizzo (1200 in chips)
    Seat 7: docerosas (1470 in chips)
    Seat 8: alacranco (1460 in chips)
    Seat 9: pokemema (1730 in chips)
    docerosas: posts small blind 10
    alacranco: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to djtom420 [9d 9h]
    pokemema: folds
    oscariusco: calls 20
    E.Valente: folds
    ben4808: folds
    marceloandre: folds
    djtom420: calls 20
    JoRizzo: calls 20
    docerosas: calls 10
    alacranco: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5h 3h 4s]
    docerosas: checks
    alacranco: bets 60
    oscariusco: calls 60
    djtom420: raises 60 to 120
    JoRizzo: folds
    docerosas: folds
    alacranco: calls 60
    oscariusco: calls 60
    *** TURN *** [5h 3h 4s] [Th]
    alacranco: checks
    oscariusco: checks
    djtom420: bets 100
    alacranco: calls 100
    oscariusco: folds
    *** RIVER *** [5h 3h 4s Th] [Jc]
    alacranco: checks
    djtom420: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    alacranco: shows [5d Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
    djtom420: mucks hand
    alacranco collected 660 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 660 | Rake 0
    Board [5h 3h 4s Th Jc]
    Seat 1: oscariusco folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: E.Valente folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: ben4808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: marceloandre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: djtom420 mucked [9d 9h]
    Seat 6: JoRizzo (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: docerosas (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: alacranco (big blind) showed [5d Jd] and won (660) with two pair, Jacks and Fives
    Seat 9: pokemema folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    Nevermind all I thought for sure i raised pre...
  2. peacebrother peacebrother is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 7:11pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    raise pre ?
  3. winkie23 winkie23 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 7:53pm) in reply to peacebrother

     
    Originally Posted by peacebrother View Post

    raise pre ?

    Not this, flatting is fine at this level. No need to bet the turn when the third heart hits, you have a hand with showdown value, try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and control the pot.
  4. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 8:00pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    so i know u said nevermind bc u thought u bet pre, so i wont mention preflop.

    but please raise more on the flop!! are u trying trap vs 2 players with a hand where the only card on the turn that isnt bad for our hand is a non heart 8??!??!?
     
  5. winkie23 winkie23 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 8:23pm) in reply to okse54

    not trying to come off like an ass, but everything said in this thread seems pretty terrible so far. would be curious what others think about the hand. in a 5 way pot or whatever it is you are essentially set mining at the 10 20 level with 99 and it shouldn't be hard to fold on a very connected/drawy board like this. Raising the flop is ok i guess, but once you get resistance you should be done with the hand.
  6. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 8:26pm) in reply to winkie23

    your bet sizing
     
  7. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 8:38pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    Raise preflop. Set mining is a great idea with small pairs, but 88 and higher are clearly going to be the best hand a great % of the time and deserving of a win on their own merit whether you hit a set or not, so set mining with 99 is too passive. 100 looks good.

    Flop: 99 is still probably the best hand. Raise. The minraise isn't going to price anyone out. You are strong but vulnerable and the last thing you need to see on the turn is a card that makes you second best. Any 2, 5, 6, T, J, Q, K, A or heart could cause this problem. So protect your hand. Bet like you mean it. Try 300 to price out the draw. You gave J5 the right price to call here and that's a grave error. This would be a lot easier to do if you had raised preflop and narrowed the field.

    Turn: Same as flop. You are still strong, and still vulnerable. Defend your hand with a 2/3 pot bet.

    River: Good check. Unfortunately the damage of letting crappy hands see the flop, turn, and river cheaply has already been done. You gave away 3 free cards and two cheap ones, and it cost you.

    Hope that helps!
  8. burnses_suite burnses_suite is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 8:56pm) in reply to Jennifear

    Wow, thank you jennifear great reply I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this pre flop thru the river.
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  9. Pokfayce Pokfayce is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 10:45pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    I don't have a problem with limping this hand in these blind levels, and as many others have said, I would raise this flop much more. If you get any resistance simply slow down and don't plan on putting much more in the pot.
  10. stlpokerstar stlpokerstar is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 11:38pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    one of two things, raise pre-bet big on flop, , or reraise flop-shove turn.. If your wrong you just lost $1
  11. ShortyJacksn ShortyJacksn is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2010 (2/8/2010 11:59pm) in reply to burnses_suite

    Stayed in school.
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    Feb 9th, 2010 (2/9/2010 5:34am) in reply to burnses_suite

    raise preflop to like 70. dont want to make it 100 coz of ur short starting stacks. but enough to let other players think u have a decent hand, then go from their. u got a pretty sweet flop for 99. so bet close to the pot on the flop and hopefully shut it down. but as it was, raise to about 200 on the flop, u want to price out all the straight and flush draws. and u could probably slow down the turn and river by ck calling. gl
     
  13. FenwayKing FenwayKing is offline The Well: FenwayKing

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    Feb 9th, 2010 (2/9/2010 8:49am) in reply to burnses_suite

    raise pre to 80
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    as played, hate the minraise on flop, not sure what you're trying to accomplish. I like the idea of sticking in a raise, but you have to size it much better (something in the 250-300ish range because the pot is around 260 after their leadout/calls on turn.)

    If we were still 3-way, I'd definitely just check back turn for pot control. I don't really like the idea of playing an inflated pot here with a marginal hand like 99 here once they've called a normal raise on that kind of flop. I'd just plan on calling most rivers to a leadout or valuebetting the river depending on what it was. If you bet, you can get a lot of worse hands to call but it's just not worth playing a big pot here IMO. Once you check it back though, you have to call most reasonable river size bets though

    just check back river as played

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    Feb 9th, 2010 (2/9/2010 11:30am) in reply to ShortyJacksn

     
    Originally Posted by ShortyJacksn View Post

    Stayed in school.

     
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