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  1. itch1515 itch1515 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:31am)

    I realize the potential exists for a massive amount of flaming here, but why the hell do you need an M number to tell you how many big blinds you have left?

    Emm, schmemm.
  2. Mr_BigQueso Mr_BigQueso is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:32am) in reply to itch1515

    sheets
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  3. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:33am) in reply to itch1515

    You're welcome to call it "Z"
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  4. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:34am) in reply to itch1515

    IMO M doesn't tell you how many big blinds you have left.
  5. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:35am) in reply to itch1515

    cause otherwise L and O get lonely
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  6. Dyzalot Dyzalot is online now

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:39am) in reply to itch1515

    Your question implies that you don't know what "M" stands for.
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  7. ashesofheroes ashesofheroes is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:43am) in reply to itch1515

    why bother with this post? to make yourself look uninformed?

    go back to lurking, IMO
  8. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:44am) in reply to itch1515

    M = BB + SB + antes for everyone at the table. This is important because it dictates both how long you can wait before you have to shove or fold (if you're around 10 or so) and also dictates whether or not you can play looser and take down some pots without showdown (M of 15+). Then again, this assumes that you care about playing poker correctly.

    Given the tone of your question, you don't.
  9. RoyalCrusher RoyalCrusher is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:48am) in reply to itch1515

    why bother with bilnds?
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  10. d1am0ndc d1am0ndc is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 12:51am) in reply to RoyalCrusher

    what a helpful site this is .... i laugh at guys who hit a big score and thank this forum. everyone is always willing to lend a helping hand.
  11. Arobinson11 Arobinson11 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 2:05am) in reply to RoyalCrusher

    You are so right, blinds shouldnt exist.
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  12. Dyzalot Dyzalot is online now

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 2:08am) in reply to d1am0ndc

    I think the tone of his post doomed him to his fate...
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  13. Autolobotomist Autolobotomist is offline playing air is my style? so what

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 2:22am) in reply to itch1515

    Dang Dyz...I never even considered what "M" stands for. WTF does "M' stand for?
  14. cloudyspirits cloudyspirits is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 2:29am) in reply to Autolobotomist

    mama
  15. thelastfedor thelastfedor is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 4:08am) in reply to cloudyspirits

    Read Harrington on Hold 'Em.

    <span>"M" is for "Magriel" if I remember correctly.

    from wikipedia:

    </span>Magriel created the "M Principle" (better known since as the M-ratio) - a theory described to great lengths in the book Harrington on Hold'em Volume II by former WSOP Champion "Action" Dan Harrington. The theory explains at which stages of tournaments expected value exists to make moves on other players, depending on the ratio between chip stack sizes and antes.
  16. itch1515 itch1515 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 8:40am) in reply to thelastfedor

    What I'm saying is you don't need a complicated number to tell you how many blinds you have left.

    It's pretty simple. You start getting down near 10 BBs, it's time to play push fold.

    I don't need any M number to tell me that.
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  17. dandickau dandickau is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 8:42am) in reply to itch1515

    Mania
  18. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 8:51am) in reply to itch1515

    how's that working out for you?

    please post less
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  19. itch1515 itch1515 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:06am) in reply to mathclub

    It works fine Shaun. How's the drifting?
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  20. skalistair skalistair is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:13am) in reply to itch1515

    that's all good and well before the antes kick in, but as soon as they do you really have to take them into the equation.
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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:15am) in reply to itch1515

    too many peopel start shoving when they get to the magic number of 10bbs that god knows who determined, and dont even know the math behind why they are shoving and what adjustments they need to make for different structures.

    its quite obvious that if the antes differ in size you need to adjust your shoving to that (something your bb method will not do).

    if the structure is like 500/1k/400 gl waiting to shove at 10k chips. im sure youll last long.
     
  22. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:16am) in reply to amak316

    shush, don't tap the glass
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  23. 2Slick4u 2Slick4u is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:17am) in reply to Dyzalot

    indubitably....
  24. mikeand mikeand is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:29am) in reply to amak316

    you really should have kept the space women avatar :D
     
  25. itch1515 itch1515 is offline

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    Mar 1st, 2008 (3/1/2008 9:33am) in reply to skalistair

    I would like to thank the lastfedor, skalistair and amak316 for their considered, intelligent responses.

    I don't think in the single-table SNGs I play that the antes ever have very much to do with it.

    Meanwhile, consistent dickheads like Joe Morneau lessen this Web site.
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