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Why do I call when I know I'm beat?

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  1. Nato76 Nato76 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:04am)

    I do this all the time. This is a huge leak in my game. I will get in a hand with a monster like AA or KK and know that my opponent has a set or 2 pair but I still call. Then after I call I feel like swinging on myself.
  2. Ari Ari is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:07am) in reply to Nato76

    Everyone has had this problem at one stage of their poker career. Basicallly, u need to find a way to have more trust in your reads. Here is an idea: Next time u "feel" like youre def beat, but dont want to lay down the hand, say to yourself, I am really folding this hand, but then really call it. In this way, u will be able to see if your reads are truly correct. After paying off your opponent the first few times, eventually u will see that it is often best to listen to that inner voice.

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  3. CFH101 CFH101 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:07am) in reply to Nato76

    thats why your a donk ......... :)

    j/k bro , keep working on your game , and most of all - Trust your instincts more. If you feel your beat , go with it.
    You'll be right more than ya think .
    -- from one donk to another
  4. one road one road is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:35am) in reply to Nato76

    For me it's that pressure telling me I have to make a big score out of AA or KK. The angel is telling me "you're beat, lay it down", but that little devil is saying "it's AA you wimp, call, re-raise, all-in!"

    Maybe think of it long term? I know I've blown some money over-playing AA or KK, but over the long run, I know I've made a lot more than I've lost (sorry I don't have solid stats to back that up though).

    But you're right - it's very tough to fold even when you "know" that dude called with his dueces or whatever and hit his set.

    At least you recognize a possible problem area for you and are willing to work on it ... so gl!
  5. DoggerPA DoggerPA is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:38am) in reply to Nato76

    I started keeping a notebook of all the stupid things I do. Kind of like a short personal journal. One fo the first things in there is trust your gut and lay it down if you feel you are beat. this journal is now about 4 pages long and i try to read it once a week and i try to add something to it a couple times a week. I have been ablsolutly amazed at how much this has helped me over the last month.

    I started playing in January this year and had made only one final table before October. Since I started keeping this I have made 7 final tables.

    Sure there are other factors which I think I may write about, but this was a big help.

    Two examples happened during the 2 last weeks.

    In the UB 150k about two hours in I had QQ UTG and raised a standard 3xbb. I was raised by the guy on my left and called. Flop came something like 2 3 8 rainbow, i checked and he went all in which would have put me all in.

    I typed damn i feel like i am beat and he said you are. I said QQ he said bs you would call in a heartbeat, i said if i show you my QQ will youshow me your AA or KK and he said yes. He had KK.
    in that past that was an instacall, but this time i trusted my gut.

    And on thanksgiving day I had KK with about 20 left in a 180sng and i was about avg stack.. there were 2 limpers so i made a big raise, dont remember what, but maybe 6-7xbb...

    I was pushed all in by someone with a stack equal to mine and i ran through it in my head, with my bet he had to know i was willing to go all in about 40% of my stack was i the middle.. The only way he wants me all in is if he knows he has me beat, he has to have aces. i folded and he showed, AA.

    I went on to just make the money in the UB then blind out and in the 180 I went on to take 4th. Neither of which would have happened 2 months ago.

    Turst your instincts, write down your weaknesses and review them often.
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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 11:45am) in reply to CFH101

    I seriously am a donkey and the next time I call when I am beat I will for sure swing on myself.
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  7. skankmofo skankmofo is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 12:38pm) in reply to DoggerPA

    laid down kings preflop? I know it's been discussed to death here but I don't think i could ever make that read and fold...maybe with 2-3 people all in ahead of me and it's close to the money in a sng, but def. not in a mtt.
  8. OMG_LOL_WTF OMG_LOL_WTF is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 12:56pm) in reply to skankmofo

    I folded KK at the final table of an SNG once.

    MP 3 bets. I'm on the button with KK and raise it to 7bets. SB goes all in. BB folds. MP goes all-in. My stack was about the size of the other 2 combined. I reasoned that by folding, one of them would bust and that would make me money. Since I was in decent chip position I moved out of the way to let them duke it out.

    They both turned over AA and one of them made a flush. Hahahaha!

    Sometimes the right lay down is as gratifying as raking a pot.
  9. DoggerPA DoggerPA is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 1:10pm) in reply to skankmofo

    it was the first and only time i ever have.
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    Nov 30th, 2005 (11/30/2005 1:28pm) in reply to Nato76

    I do it sometimes, I just want to see what they had. I won't put myself all in though, and I will do this early in a tourny, just cuz i can always get my chips back.

    But, I need to stop doing that.
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