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why does it seem that these "ranked" donkeys are luckier then others

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  1. OutsGalore OutsGalore is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 4:55pm)

    Now Im not saying that they all play bad or anything like that.. cause i understand the value of restealing and everything like that. But to me it seems that some of these peeople are way luckier then others. I mean how many times can you get it in as a 4 to1 dog and win. Apparently they `can do it like 3 out of 4 and win it seems to me that when they make these plays and resteals that whem they work they pic up lots of extra chps and when they dont work and they get called they just seem to catch.... way more then the odds dictate they should. Oh well maybe i just need to play worse to be better.
  2. Decatur217 Decatur217 is offline OTs Iron Man

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 4:57pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    Which ranked donk u speak of? Annette, obv has a lucky acct as she has had 7-8 threads on her luckiness thats a given. She just signed up at the right time to get the lucky one.

    But others are g00t. Real g00t.
  3. VVubanga VVubanga is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 4:58pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    gtfo...........get wubangled
  4. Heads Up Abe Heads Up Abe is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:02pm) in reply to VVubanga

    Well it's sort of self-explanatory. To be a ranked player AND a donkey, you would have to be very very lucky.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:08pm) in reply to VVubanga

    get wubangled

    lol
     
  6. tiltyjoker tiltyjoker is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:19pm) in reply to fish

    well some are really good and also on major heaters; which is a dangerous combination.
     
  7. bballin04 bballin04 is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:22pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    they dont get any luckier than anyone else...the thing is they create their own luck by placing themselves in good situations......you can't just watch them play one table and get lucky and then proclaim they are luckier than everyone else
     
  8. RevG RevG is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:22pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    Good players are lucky players. Period.

    It just seems like they get lucky. The difference between why the pros seem to suck out is becuase they are good enough that they have been able to build their chip stack up enough taht they can afford to lose to a couple of bad beats and still survive. As a result they stay in the tournament longer and eventually they will end up getting lucky at some point as pretty much everyone has to in order to win big in these tournaments.

    That's my take on it.
  9. Adam Adam is offline Emperor

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:22pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    Try poker tracking a ranked player over a hundred thousand hands or so. You'll realize they run the same as everyone else.
     
  10. TamaTime TamaTime is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:24pm) in reply to Adam

    probably they are more aggro thanmost, and push smaller, more undefined edges than an avg or noob player would.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:26pm) in reply to TamaTime

    whats an undefined edge??? HOH4.......
     
  12. OutsGalore OutsGalore is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:26pm) in reply to Adam

    I have never tracked any of these players. Once in a while when im bored ill sweat these plahyers ocne in a while. Now I cant denie that these players are very aggresive and very good players. I am talkin bout when they flip there cards over. If there ahead they win if there behind they win. I dont seem to see these players taking horrible beats very often that is all im saying.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:30pm) in reply to Adam

    I remember having this discussion once with someone and they changed my opinion on this topic. While some people appear to be lucky they actually have the types of chips that mean that there unlucky isn't quite what your unlucky means. So you have to ask yourself if you play too loose that you don't have enough chips when its nut cutting time or not enough chips because you didn't take advantage of opportunities along the way.

    If you are a relatively tight player as an example you can't be upset when a loose player sucks out on you with the worst of it, they are playing their style and you are playing yours. Both work.

    Clearly you do something right considering you won best all around player at the Fall Classic.
  14. OutsGalore OutsGalore is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:33pm) in reply to beanie

    sssshhhh dont let them know bout that or the wsop ring i won. LOL othewise i wouldnt be allowed to complain if they knew how lucky i was!!
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  15. StaggerLee StaggerLee is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:36pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    Selective memory. People remember the abnormal and unexpected, not all the times the best hands win the race.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:36pm) in reply to beanie

    I once saw a ranked player, lose with AA.

    That is all.

    Cajun sends
     
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:41pm) in reply to cajundaddy1

    they buy a special program made from lee jones which favors them over their opponents, it's underground so i don't know too much about it.
  18. Movetime99 Movetime99 is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:43pm) in reply to eastontracks

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re(1): why does it seem that these "ranked" donkeys are luckier then others
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:44pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    I played a tourney once and a friend was over. He bought half just to stay interested. I won the tournament but more than once I had the worst hand. He almost lost his mind at certain points but in the end it all magically made sense.

    I think some styles require luck to mean that their AK beats QQ occasionally. Others styles require 5d6d to beat AJ. Sometimes even AA.

    I have done this more than once against a short stacked player that of course gets upset and it always comes down to the fact that if they had more chips they could have moved me off of my hand. Anyway, if the best hand would always win, Phil Hellmuth would have all of our loot.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:46pm) in reply to Movetime99

    btw congrats. I hadn't heard that you won.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:48pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    It's a combination of the volume they play...they play more tournaments than most, therefore they will suckout more than most as well as the fact that they are under more scrutiny as ranked players. It's more likely that a person will be watching a ranked player and notice if they suck out vs nobody pays attention to some random donk hitting a gutshot.
     
  22. OutsGalore OutsGalore is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:51pm) in reply to beanie

    ty beanie.... and also to the other guy where do i find this software and how much is it i would like to purchase it
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  23. beanie beanie is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:55pm) in reply to rochustler

    speaking as a semi random donk at least one person pays attention. He is usually the one found cursing.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:33pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    This is the topic of my next article, which was submitted yesterday. There's several reasons why this seems to be the case.

    However, the OP certainly seems to have his mind made up that they're just luckier, rather than being better at accumulating, less afraid of gambling when ICM dictates, etc. He remembers the hand that got posted where Annette sucked out, rather than the hand she posted before it where she got it all in with a flopped a set of 5s that got counterfeited by the case two 6s on the turn and river.

    But I welcome people who think they're just all luckboxes. That'll mean one fewer player will be busting their ass, and more money will be available to those who do.
     
  25. DUBZX DUBZX is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:47pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    no its not luck.....its the secret code u type in if u r all in preflop....a diff one if all in after flop....and a 3rd if all in after turn........i havent decifered the code yet exactly, but once i do i wil get it to u

    thats obv how the ranked "donkeys" do it...they r horrible just get lucky

    oo and btw ari obv found a way to use it live when he won that tourney the other day
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:52pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    how about the FACT that some of these ranked "donk" as you put them are better than you in general...pre-flop, post-flop...river, post-river...everything. also the difference between going deep and losing in the first hour can often be luck.
     
  27. NI_HAN_NI_HAN NI_HAN_NI_HAN is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:56pm) in reply to DUBZX

    all the answer are here -------> http://www.pokerxfactor.com/servlet/...;calibrate=off
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 7:20pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    The key word in your question is "seem." It may seem that they are luckier than the average player but they are not. Get over it. Quit crying cause your losing.
     
  29. c_c_gray c_c_gray is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:41pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    Then you need to get out more. I've seen tons of them take plenty of gross beats.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:50pm) in reply to OutsGalore

    I LOL'd
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