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  1. Genetikfreak Genetikfreak is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 2:58am)

    Yes they have moved the buy-in to 500k wich was supposed to make the game more thrilling. But insread of having some of the greatest minds of poker outduelling each other in strategical play we witness them going all in with ordinary hands, then once the money goes all in we look at them ridiculously jiber jaber about what the other player's hand is and then they say how many times do you want to 'run' the hand. I understand they want to limit the variance but why have it 500k buy in if they are gonna run hands that many times, it basically reduces the game to watching flips. Maybe mainstreem fans like it but wheres the play? I just feel it takes away from strategical playing thus the show suffers would you agree.....
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:04am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    I agree with your points but I stopped watching HSP for educational purposes when I moved on from playing freerolls. And the running multiple times does take away a lot of the excitement that comes with big pots. Nevertheless I find it very entertaining. Good show!
     
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:12am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    Its obviously not good if strategy is all you're watching the show for but really, its meant to be entertainment and thats what it is. Personally, HSP is my favorite poker show for that very reason; it has interesting table banter, it isn't a total crapshoot like the WPT, and I don't have to listen to Norman Chad.

    I think if you're looking for these guys great strategy and wits, Antonio, Barry, and Doyle have all written books, Benyamine and Negreanu have contributed to books as well, so read them! No matter how loose/tight/whatever the table is playing, you're never going to get great strategy insights from a TV program that shows ~10-15 hands in an hour.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:18am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    Yea you're right. I guess the show needs to appeal to a broad audience. And the people love action. I do think Gabe contributes a lot in terms of poker strategy with his commentating though.
     
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:23am) in reply to Faecal Matter

    its supposed to be a fun show to watch, entertainment.... im sure the players get paid to appear on it as well.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:29am) in reply to netgojustin

    It could easily be entertaining and still instructionnal. table talk and antics are fun but they should add sumthing to make it competitve too instead of uselles flips maybe online vs live with points sys and cash incentive in the end for ex
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 3:59am) in reply to Faecal Matter

    Gabe is without a doubt the best commentatorer for poker; leagues better than Boreman Chad, Ali Nasalijad, and Vince Van Crappen.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 4:01am) in reply to ComebackShane

    chad pwns faces
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 4:30am) in reply to ComebackShane

    Although I do like Chad's dry humor at times, you're right about Kaplan. His knowledge of poker and the players involved is unparalleled. And being a high stakes/well known player himself probably doesn't hurt either.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 4:35am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    the poker is the same regardless of the # of times they run it. don't get why you wouldn't enjoy it.

    and there are about 0 poker shows where the commentary is smart poker-wise, sign up for a poker training site if that's what you want.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 5:24am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    I like HSP and I have really liked the latest episode cause Jamie Gold looks like such a douche. I love how he played his Last Hand about ten times...donating every time.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 5:58am) in reply to cmval

    i love HSP

    goood show tonight too
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 7:25am) in reply to netgojustin

    They do get paid $300 an hour. I am sure this is the only reason players like David Grey have appeared on the show in the past since they never play any hands.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 10:27am) in reply to stabbyfoulke

    Are you sure about that? I remember someone asking one of the pros who plays at FullTilt during season 2 or 3 and he said they pay you 1200 an hour
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 10:30am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    <span>"</span><span>But ins(t)ead of having some of the greatest minds of poker ou(t)duelling each other in strategical play we witness them going all in with ordinary hands"</span>

    What the hell is that even supposed to mean? What types of hands would constitute great minds outduelling one another?

    If you are looking for instruction, go to a training site.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 10:33am) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    i love the show
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 10:43am) in reply to Genetikfreak

    hsp is the best poker show out there, by far... how you can say it's not interesting is laughable. watch 8 episodes of poker after dark.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 10:54am) in reply to jeremy w

    you could be right, but I personally asked Antonio Esfandiari this question last winter in the Atlantis lobby, and I recall him saying 300 an hour, but, that was 11 months ago, so it could have changed or my memory is very poor.

    Either way, they certainly get paid something
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 11:00am) in reply to Ari

    i like the show but i don't think the poker is the same regardless of the # of times they run it. by allowing all the deals, it probably creates more action because its more unlikely they will lose the whole pot by going in on draws or races, etc. I think the show would be much better with out all the gabbering about running it several times, or every hand sammy asking if the players want to split the profit.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 11:05am) in reply to Ozzie

    I like HSP. I eagerly await the upload at thepokerbay every Monday since Comcast took away my GSN. I read Sklansky and Harrington for strategy, I watch HSP for entertainment. Damn I miss Live at the Bike too.
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    Nov 27th, 2007 (11/27/2007 4:11pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    Even Gabe kaplan at the end said we saw big pots that were not set vs set or st8 vs Fh (doyles at vs guy's a2 and PA j9 vs farha KQs for exemple) and its because they can just blindly gamble all in and run it 4 times wich takes away from having to really play the hands out. I agree Kabe is good for the show and all but the poker play is bogus..
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