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Will the min raise preflop become standard? in MTT

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  1. kice32 kice32 is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 9:22pm)

    It seems that the game online has evolved in the past few years from the standard opening raise from most "skilled" players going from 3-4X to 2.5-3X. When does it just become 2X? I've started to see this a lot more often lately and am wondering what is the best way to attack this raise in the blinds. Essentially unless this is a really tight player, pot odds is dictating a call out of the BB with most hands.
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  2. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 9:25pm) in reply to kice32

    It wont. I think theres more of a shot that itll go back up to 3X-3.5X then 2X pre. The vietcong effect obv.
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  3. tiltyjoker tiltyjoker is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:27pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    yeah ive seen it actually goin down for 2.5x esp. late in mtts to like 2.1-2.35x
     
  4. pickup_styx pickup_styx is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:30pm) in reply to kice32

    well could it ever become 1.5x - 2x preflop? what is so significant about 3x 4x 2.5x?

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  5. Damage1 Damage1 is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:33pm) in reply to pickup_styx

    because raising 1.5x is possible and all...
  6. krs33 krs33 is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:33pm) in reply to pickup_styx

    How can you raise 1.5x the bb?
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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:34pm) in reply to Damage1

    i've been raising 1.5x preflop since the 60's and it has been working great!
  8. s00tedj0kers s00tedj0kers is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 10:36pm) in reply to kice32

    I was wondering the same thing today, how do you attack the min raise? Ive seen it more and more often as of late and dont really know the optimal way to approach it. Its not just preflop either, ive seen it on all streets...as a bluff and for value, and as a result ive found myself shoving into the nuts and folding the best hand when minraised. im curious to see what people have to say about it.
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  9. YouSuck123 YouSuck123 is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 11:08pm) in reply to s00tedj0kers

    icurarook uses a good min. raise strategy.Ask him to explain it.
  10. greggo430 greggo430 is offline

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    Nov 25th, 2007 (11/25/2007 11:10pm) in reply to s00tedj0kers

    hmmm...how to attack a weak looking raise
    1. reraise
    2. call, check raise flop
    3. call check call flop lead turn
    4. fold sometimes your hand sucks and playing OOP is stupid, i think part of the reason these baby raises work well is because people think "i have odds to play 74o OOP" then the flop comes Q93 and they check fold
  11. tiltyjoker tiltyjoker is offline

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    Nov 26th, 2007 (11/26/2007 12:47am) in reply to greggo430

    i think the min raise preflop is suicide when every1 is playin deep. But i can see how it can become effective when stacks are are more shallow and/or shorthanded
     
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