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Would anyone fold KK preflop(RESULTS UP) in this situation? very sick spot...

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  1. Liquor_Slit Liquor_Slit is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:04am)

    final table , live event. small $20.00 buy in.

    we are down to 7 and all 7 of us are in the money.

    Here are the prizes roughly: 1st-500 2nd-$270 3rd-170 4th-100 5th -60

    6 and 7th both pay $30.00.

    i am big blind, and blinds are 1000/2000, i have around 26K, probably 3rd in chips.

    UTG raises to 4K, UTG +1 , supershort stack pushes all in for 8K, next guy (CL) pushes all in for like 40K, now its folded around to small blind , who then PUSHES all in for around 17K, now its up to me and I look down and see KK!!! this is now unbelievable and im really not sure what to do and i think for a moment.

    Considering the small buy in and the prizes how would the poker community play this tough hand... Can i fold preflop?, or gamble for the CL.....

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  2. marc1313 marc1313 is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:09am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    if you fold, you should quit poker immed.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:10am) in reply to marc1313

    put it this way, i didn't fold.....
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:15am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    i will post the hand results soon, but i was wondering what thoughts would be going thru your head if you where in this position....is it a snap call or a "thought" call.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:17am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    it's a snap call and high five everyone around you, unless someone exposes their cards and they are exactly AA.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:22am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    you call and get shown A 10 by short stack....Q Q to the guy who shoved for 40k.....A K to the SB you also shoved your K K....and it actually held
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:25am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    You CALL! At worst you're playing a side pot w/ the CL for 20K and he is the one most likely to have the 3rd best hand. UTG raiser could have a lot of aces or anything really. the shortstack quite possible any ace/ broadway cards/small PP.

    CL is probably shoving to kill action in front of him and so I would highly doubt he has AA. And you're having him dominated b/c action in front you suggests a lot of aces so even if he has AQ he might only have 1 Ace left in the deck. And if he doesn't have an ace you're an 80-20 fav to get most of your money back (26K right now and if you win the side pot w/ CL you have 18K). You have to call and just hope the CL doesn't suckout on you.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:27am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    Plus...

     
    Originally Posted by Liquor_Slit View Post

    i am big blind, and blinds are 1000/2000, i have around 26K, probably 3rd in chips.

    UTG raises to 3K

    You can't raise to 3K w/ blinds at 1K/2K. So after you lose just call a foul for a redeal b/c the guy raised an incorrect amount lol.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:31am) in reply to lehman18

    by the way the UTG raise was 4K, i made a mistake, ty. and your response was really great reading. Nice way to think things out. Most of your thoughts where what i was thinking in regards to side pots and stuff... ill post results in 10 min.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 12:48am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    Saxton, you where correct about one thing, the initial raiser (UTG), folded and we ended up going 4 way after i called...(I did take around 45 seconds though), but you where incorrect on your hand prediction (but i do like your thinking)......

    but Lehman was closer....the CL did INDEED have the 3rd best hand, as he predicted....

    UTG +1 (Short stacked) has 10 10
    CL has JJ

    small blind shows AA
    and i have KK

    now im hoping to get that side pot of 19K that Lehman was talking about if i don't win the hand..

    the FLOP is 3 A K rainbow turn 5 river 8

    UTG inital raiser said he folded 10 10 as well!!!!

    i get side pot, put the CL on tilt, he finishes 5th....and the remaining 4 of us chop and get around 255 each....not bad.
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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 10:11am) in reply to Liquor_Slit

    ton of other factors to consider that aren't mentioned:

    1) what's the disparity between chip leaders and the rest of the field? if winning this hand wouldn't make an impact on making top 2, one could make a case for guaranteed money

    2) 26,000 is still borderline decent to make some moves up the pay ladder, you still have more than one bullet: blind steal/shove, re-steal, etc.

    3) most importantly, how tight/loose is your table? not just for now, but for after this hand. If you'll end up gambling with A-J vs a donk's Ace weak later on in the tournament you should play here.
     
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