First my raise under the gun with AJ isn't the best play in the world but I haven't been very active. Villian hasn't been very active either which is what concerns me considering he probably knows I haven't been loose if he's paid attention. I couldn't see him shoving with A10- and felt my best case was a flip with 99-. With all that said I cut my losses and folded which is uncommon for me. I never seem to have much trouble building stacks in tournament but likewise when the blinds rise I have a tendency to spew. In trying to correct this I opted to lay it down... Thoughts? Berrate me if necessary!

pokerstars Game #35566421645: Tournament #213228410, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2009/11/19 11:51:44 ET
Table '213228410 21' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kondrat67 (17306 in chips)
Seat 2: d]R~Kb{n (5040 in chips)
Seat 3: Cards 24/7 (3560 in chips)
Seat 4: redfish81 (6875 in chips)
Seat 5: drewdaddy19 (14113 in chips)
Seat 6: Richi785 (7230 in chips)
Seat 7: dash rip (13470 in chips)
Seat 8: fantastic iv (7309 in chips)
Seat 9: dinko999 (6220 in chips)
kondrat67: posts the ante 60
d]R~Kb{n: posts the ante 60
Cards 24/7: posts the ante 60
redfish81: posts the ante 60
drewdaddy19: posts the ante 60
Richi785: posts the ante 60
dash rip: posts the ante 60
fantastic iv: posts the ante 60
dinko999: posts the ante 60
d]R~Kb{n: posts small blind 250
Cards 24/7: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drewdaddy19 [Ah Jd]
redfish81: folds
drewdaddy19: raises 990 to 1490
Richi785: folds
dash rip: folds
fantastic iv: folds
dinko999: raises 4670 to 6160 and is all-in
kondrat67: folds
d]R~Kb{n: folds
Cards 24/7: folds
drewdaddy19: folds
Uncalled bet (4670) returned to dinko999
dinko999 collected 4270 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4270 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kondrat67 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: d]R~Kb{n (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Cards 24/7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: redfish81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: drewdaddy19 folded before Flop
Seat 6: Richi785 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dash rip folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fantastic iv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dinko999 collected (4270)

I think it's a fold. At best you're flipping, and you're probably in a lot worse shape. This is why raising hands like AT-AJ in early position is so difficult. Fold pre IMO.

Totally agree, AJo is such a trouble hand facing the re-raise. I too retired it from EP, but will limp from maybe UTG+2 or +3 w/ AJ sooted.

I think this is a strong fold. It hurts, but you're still in decent shape and no need to gamble 1/2 your stack with AJ. You see so many bigger stacks call of their chips with AJ and KQ facing the shorty AK's + these days.

Thanks for the responses. My raise was originally intended with hopes of it folding around and the very active BB finding himself in a situation where he would probably shove with a weaker hand. I also realize that in this particular scenario I really can't call many others that reraise in that spot. My question now is would you have opened there? In hindsight I think it was a poor play but justified it with my tight image at the table.

I fold.

given your table image, i don't mind the raise

give your table image, i don't mind the fold

if u look at the numbers you are have to put in 4500 to win 8750 or so, which is not quite 2:1

given your table image and the numbers, i like the fold

Call, even though his 12bb over shove looks like QQ+ AK+ and you're obv dominated...

and if by almost getting 2:1 you mean getting 2.9:1, you are right about the pot odds hes getting... pot starts at 1290+1490+6160= 8940, you have to call off 4670 more to win a pot of 13610 (8940+4670) ---> 13610/4670 = 2.9 ez math

fwiw post this in PD if you want slightly more legitimate responses, I'm sorry but some of that advice was outright horrilbe; you can't ever fold here, even if you're dominated you are getting odds to call. Just because you don't have the best hand doesn't justify folding, you are burning money folding AJ here. Fold this utg btw.

 

Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

Call, even though his 12bb over shove looks like QQ+ AK+ and you're obv dominated...

and if by almost getting 2:1 you mean getting 2.9:1, you are right about the pot odds hes getting... pot starts at 1290+1490+6160= 8940, you have to call off 4670 more to win a pot of 13610 (8940+4670) ---> 13610/4670 = 2.9 ez math

fwiw post this in PD if you want slightly more legitimate responses, I'm sorry but some of that advice was outright horrilbe; you can't ever fold here, even if you're dominated you are getting odds to call. Just because you don't have the best hand doesn't justify folding, you are burning money folding AJ here. Fold this utg btw.

i'm sorry to say, but fwiw your advice is outright horrible.

ez math, eh? well apparently u can't do easy math.

i couldn't agree more - a lot of advice needs to be filtered out here, including your advice.

also, you're coming off as an outright douche calling out people. some people try to give solid advice and actually talk poker and improve their game through discussion. keep your condescending opinion to yourself...

oh yeah and change profile pic...you're coming off even more as a douche!

man u would get hustled in my world.

You just said he was getting 2.9:1...wp sir

ahhhh coming to terms with your mistake...my man!

still a fold imo :P

First off the blinds are 250/500 meaning 10 big blinds is 5,000. Dont ever raise someone with about 10 bb or less if your going to fold to a shove. There are prolly a lot of re shov stacks at this point and despite the standard fold AJo from early pos, you DEF want to be folding so you dont price yourself in and you end up being dominated. I mean this guy only has 11 big blinds which means hes short stacked and is prolly shoving a wide range, but without knowing his 3 bet range and if he just got to the table let the hand go.

you have to call here

he has 12 BBs and you have a strongish hands

9-10 BBs has no reship fold equity if u have 76s and you have to call there

i cant imagine folding to a 12 BB shove with AJ unless theres some sort of rediculous read you have

 

Originally Posted by Deoxyribo

you have to call here

he has 12 BBs and you have a strongish hands

9-10 BBs has no reship fold equity if u have 76s and you have to call there

i cant imagine folding to a 12 BB shove with AJ unless theres some sort of rediculous read you have

I agree with this, once the shove occurs you have to call. My original advice though was open fold. There's no need to open raise AJ from UTG+1.

Deoxyribo -- are you advocating the call as played? or advocating opening with AJ in UTG+1 and calling a shove? I would think fold>open shove>raise/call>raise/fold.

Guess I'm a nit. Flipping to lose the table captain spot when his 'real shove range' is probably a lot tighter seems -EV for the tourney. I personally want to stay away from these spots so I can cudgel-to-death the midstacks.

Like I said, it's a shame the other guy didn't fold. IMO let other guys make the hero calls. Our advantage here (if it exists) seems marginal.