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Would you ever fold here? Sunday Million enormous pot!

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  1. MG2003 MG2003 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:12am)

    Sunday Million, 400 players left, I am in the top 40 in chips and way above average, and I just got moved to a new table which has the tourney chip leader. I have 150k in chips and got dealt KK.

    Would anyone EVER fold here, I had minimal info on this guy and saw him play a couple of hands somewhat loose.

    Thanks, MG2003

    pokerstars Game #17042018395: Tournament #85341444, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1250/2500) - 2008/04/27 - 21:11:57 (ET)
    Table '85341444 173' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: yellowsub86 (162385 in chips)
    Seat 2: MG2003 (151536 in chips)
    Seat 3: ziodeme (153015 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tîmex (133508 in chips)
    Seat 5: "Dumping"KGB (106000 in chips)
    Seat 6: PitBrett (173092 in chips)
    Seat 7: WGC1234 (41155 in chips)
    Seat 8: bigshang16 (47161 in chips)
    Seat 9: Redimps3000 (457730 in chips)
    yellowsub86: posts the ante 250
    MG2003: posts the ante 250
    ziodeme: posts the ante 250
    Tîmex: posts the ante 250
    "Dumping"KGB: posts the ante 250
    PitBrett: posts the ante 250
    WGC1234: posts the ante 250
    bigshang16: posts the ante 250
    Redimps3000: posts the ante 250
    Tîmex: posts small blind 1250
    "Dumping"KGB: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MG2003 [Kc Kd]
    PitBrett: folds
    WGC1234: folds
    bigshang16: raises 4166 to 6666
    Redimps3000: raises 10834 to 17500
    yellowsub86: folds
    MG2003: raises 22500 to 40000
    ziodeme: folds
    Tîmex: folds
    "Dumping"KGB: folds
    bigshang16: folds
    Redimps3000: raises 417480 to 457480 and is all-in
    MG2003: calls 111286 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [2c 3s Jd]
    yellowsub86 said, "o"
    *** TURN *** [2c 3s Jd] [Qc]
    *** RIVER *** [2c 3s Jd Qc] [2h]
    SlippyJacks [observer] said, "two of them"
    The None [observer] said, "whoa"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Redimps3000: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
    MG2003: shows [Kc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
    Redimps3000 collected 315238 from pot
    The None [observer] said, "mbn"
    threatnasty [observer] said, "mbn"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 315238 | Rake 0
     
  2. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:19am) in reply to MG2003

    i don't fold KK pre, didn't even have to look at HH because I don't fold KK pre. I get bitter for PS dealing me cooler hands, ul.
  3. resilient resilient is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:21am) in reply to MG2003

    No way, could easily be QQ or AK
     
  4. rizniles rizniles is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:29am) in reply to MG2003

    sick cooler. I have yet to fold KK preflop--even though i have run into AA many times it seems--but i would go with the hand.
     
  5. supa_donk supa_donk is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 3:18am) in reply to rizniles

    this is why Cmoney is ranked, he made the post a few weeks ago when he folded KK early in a big buy in tourney. i think it might of been the brawl on FTP. but then again it might be easier to fold KK early on in a tourney like c money did, than in this spot for a huge stack either way gg and dont lose sleep over it
     
  6. MG2003 MG2003 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 6:00pm) in reply to supa_donk

    I actually did think about folding it pre, but it is DonkeyStars
     
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  7. MikeyRy MikeyRy is offline still fat

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 6:06pm) in reply to MG2003

    with no read on the player this is pretty sick....i have to say that with his stack, he's unlikely to risk a shove against ur stack without a hand, so his range has to be pretty tight...i dont reall think its AK even...its prob QQ, other KK and AA....but folding KK there is just soooo hard.

    it's the million where a lot of these guys are completely brainless--i dont know..its super close...sure does look like AA though...
  8. PhiDelt1406 PhiDelt1406 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 6:37pm) in reply to MG2003

    Would it be a bad thing to assume....with no reads on a player...that the fourth bet preflop is AA or KK? You don't see many players that can re-raise twice before the flop...two different players, no less...with less than KK.

    You still have a workable stack if you fold preflop (M of 18.5) as well.
  9. bob2bob bob2bob is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 7:39pm) in reply to MG2003

    very tough spot. I would snap call, shit myself, and cry for few days.
     
  10. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 7:51pm) in reply to supa_donk

    folding KK preflop is not why cmoney is ranked
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  11. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 8:02pm) in reply to MG2003

    The 40,000 chip raise is much too small. Raise to 55,000 and snap call.
     
  12. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 8:20pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    you need 500K, a very strong read on the guys style, and some more action than this to fold here imo.
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