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Would You Fold AK on Bubble? Good Fold or Not?

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  1. muscle96ss muscle96ss is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 3:45am)

    18-man SNG, top 4 get paid, 5 players left. After posting the BB I am in last place and was planning on going all-in after seeing AK in the hole. Button goes all-in and after using 30 seconds of his time bank SB(and chip leader) calls. I had already checked the "call any" button after the button went all-in but while the SB was taking his time I was thinking and decided to uncheck it. Once he called I decided to fold. My reasoning was that I had a feeling that the SB had a real hand as although he was chip leader he was still playing somewhat tight. If I fold and the SB wins the hand, the bubble is burst and I get 4th at worst case scenario. If I call, even though I have AK, it is still a drawing hand and with 2 opponents I was guessing that 1 of them had a pocket pair. I also factored into the decision the fact that I play really well with a short stack. As it turned out the SB eliminated the button like I had hoped, but if I had been in the hand I would have won the hand and moved up to 2nd place. In the end I placed 2nd anyways, but am unsure whether I made the proper decision or not. What would you have done in this same situation and why?

    pokerstars Game #9805550590: Tournament #49757494, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/05/08 - 02:52:06 (ET)
    Table '49757494 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: Uncle Arfer (2430 in chips)
    Seat 4: badandy519 (3355 in chips)
    Seat 5: yeahbaby57 (12320 in chips)
    Seat 8: muscle96ss (2740 in chips)
    Seat 9: SFCellman (6155 in chips)
    Uncle Arfer: posts the ante 50
    badandy519: posts the ante 50
    yeahbaby57: posts the ante 50
    muscle96ss: posts the ante 50
    SFCellman: posts the ante 50
    yeahbaby57: posts small blind 300
    muscle96ss: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to muscle96ss [Ac Kd]
    SFCellman: folds
    Uncle Arfer: folds
    badandy519: raises 2705 to 3305 and is all-in
    yeahbaby57: calls 3005
    muscle96ss: folds
    *** FLOP *** [2c Ks 8h]
    *** TURN *** [2c Ks 8h] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [2c Ks 8h 2s] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    yeahbaby57: shows [9d Ad] (a pair of Deuces)
    badandy519: shows [3d Jc] (a pair of Deuces - lower kicker)
    SFCellman said, "gc"
    yeahbaby57 collected 7460 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7460 | Rake 0
    Board [2c Ks 8h 2s Tc]
    Seat 2: Uncle Arfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: badandy519 (button) showed [3d Jc] and lost with a pair of Deuces
    Seat 5: yeahbaby57 (small blind) showed [9d Ad] and won (7460) with a pair of Deuces
    Seat 8: muscle96ss (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: SFCellman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. bfull bfull is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:32am) in reply to muscle96ss

    This is a tough one. Going stictly by the book with no info on the other players tendencies, probably correct fold. Worst case is that one of them has a pocket pair and then you are racing for your tournament life when folding will get you into the money. Best case was what you saw, you had big stack dominated and the shover was doing it with any two.

    If you want to make sure you cash then it was the right fold.

    If you feel like gambling and trying for the triple up, this is about as good a spot as you are going to get: over 3:1 on your money with AK.
  3. crazywhite21 crazywhite21 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:36am) in reply to bfull

    my advice would be to not click the "call any" button.

    and my advice in the hand would be to get it in, but i cant fold a hand so im most likely wrong.
  4. crf250rider04 crf250rider04 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:45am) in reply to crazywhite21

    play to win...insta call...who gives a fck about 4th
  5. VVubanga VVubanga is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:49am) in reply to crf250rider04

    ya i dont fold good hands on the bubble, cuz i play to win.
  6. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:52am) in reply to muscle96ss

    This is tough, depending on your ranges for people, I think you have to fold this. Likely, your up against a pair and someone that has an Ace (or a King). So, one of your outs is gone, and you have to catch to win. Without reads (or thinking the chip leader is tight) it's a good fold. You can't be results oriented, making this fold, a good 1/3 of the time, you'll have won the hand. But, that doesn't matter.

    Plus, you got exactly what you wanted here, Yeahbaby won the hand, and now your in the money.
  7. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:57am) in reply to muscle96ss

    This is a call, mostly because of the payout structure of 4-3-2-1.

    In a one table SNG with 4 left, and a 5-3-2 payout structure, this would often be a fold.
  8. mcg22 mcg22 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:57am) in reply to muscle96ss

    This really is tough because you have less than 5bbs, and there are antes, and you have already paid the blind, but at the same time you generally don't want to go calling all ins as the short stack on the bubble when 2 players are already all in! Ugh. With AK and less than 5 bbs - I think I would likely call - of course this may not be correct ICM wise though. If I had say even 7bbs I would definitely fold here. But in this situation you are getting VERY short...
  9. MonkeyCowboy MonkeyCowboy is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:57am) in reply to VVubanga

    Fold to the money skeet to win!
  10. NickDaNutz NickDaNutz is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 11:58am) in reply to VVubanga

    play to win?

    why win when you can get your buy-in back! woohoooo
     
  11. Jon Godwin Jon Godwin is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 12:00pm) in reply to mcg22

    you live and die by ak push that son of a bitch in there and pray
  12. NickDaNutz NickDaNutz is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 12:06pm) in reply to mcg22

    the only tough decision in this hand is between calling and insta-calling.

    also, nothing that went on in this hand makes me think, in any way, that you dont have the best hand (that one of them has a pair).......I think the fold is horrid to be completely honest.
     
  13. BusHansen BusHansen is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 12:22pm) in reply to NickDaNutz

    Skeet skeet!

    Insta-skeet...
  14. GB2005 GB2005 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 12:40pm) in reply to BusHansen

    instacall phil hellmuth style
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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 1:05pm) in reply to muscle96ss

    This is an insta-call to me. The button can shove any two cards, and the small blind can can with almost any ace. A-K has a lot of hands dominated. Send the money in and play for first.
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  16. NickDaNutz NickDaNutz is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 1:14pm) in reply to GB2005

    agree with GB2005 here.

    Instacall like hellmuth when the dealer found "a jack for the live one" in the 2005 WSOP ME
     
  17. quaid745579 quaid745579 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 1:20pm) in reply to Assassinato

    yeah, call here, but like jennifear said, probably a fold on a one table. people are saying insta call, and if it was a mtt it would obv be. but your are playing to cash many times in a sng.
  18. JBurdan23 JBurdan23 is offline

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    May 8th, 2007 (5/8/2007 1:26pm) in reply to quaid745579

    I would have played it just because your really low on chips, and I always try to win SNG's if I lose out on the bubble I am mad but I always try to win so you have to gamble at some point and you were really low on chips with the blinds at 300/600, but as it turned out you still made 2nd place money good job.
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