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would you fold pocket jacks on a dry flop?

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  1. gemi9 gemi9 is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:14pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22740418574: $2,500 Guarantee (Cashout) (175459047), Table 98 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:13:21 ET - 2010/08/01
    Seat 1: B BENCI (28,246)
    Seat 2: DarkerThenBlue (12,205)
    Seat 3: craic agus ceol (7,880)
    Seat 4: tysdad03 (4,276)
    Seat 5: VanVan88 (17,210)
    Seat 6: CONTE NAIKA (21,500)
    Seat 7: kballero (18,987)
    Seat 8: gemi9 (20,361)
    Seat 9: scottyt804 (37,402)
    B BENCI antes 50
    DarkerThenBlue antes 50
    craic agus ceol antes 50
    tysdad03 antes 50
    VanVan88 antes 50
    CONTE NAIKA antes 50
    kballero antes 50
    gemi9 antes 50
    scottyt804 antes 50
    CONTE NAIKA posts the small blind of 250
    kballero posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gemi9 [Jd Js]
    gemi9 raises to 1,355
    scottyt804 folds
    B BENCI folds
    DarkerThenBlue folds
    craic agus ceol folds
    tysdad03 folds
    VanVan88 folds
    CONTE NAIKA calls 1,105
    kballero calls 855
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 4s 9h]
    CONTE NAIKA checks
    kballero checks
    gemi9 bets 3,000
    CONTE NAIKA raises to 13,515
    Oh BTW kballero folds
    When shoves the flop it really made no sense, but this is $2 tourney,people do play different, there was no real draws I guess he could doing this with a set but I think I can't fold jacks here. I thinking he has me beat on the flop.
    Do you call off your stack in this spot? or fold?
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Aug 1st, 2010 (8/1/2010 9:58pm) in reply to gemi9

    I'm never folding here in a $2 MTT. So many players will think his top pair is good, or just check-raise you because they're putting you on AK.
     
  3. jackeblaze22 jackeblaze22 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 2:31am) in reply to grapsfan

    i agree with graps im prob not folding but 10 9 is def in his range..also 78 and qj is also so u could be up against a draw
  4. gemi9 gemi9 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 3:07am) in reply to jackeblaze22

    Yeah but usually in these lower buy-in tourneys they get excited when they have the nuts. They don't know how to bet for value. That what scares me on this type of flop.
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  5. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 10:08am) in reply to gemi9

     
    Originally Posted by gemi9 View Post

    Yeah but usually in these lower buy-in tourneys they get excited when they have the nuts. They don't know how to bet for value. That what scares me on this type of flop.

    If that's the case, then what type of flop wouldn't scare you? Only one where a J comes? I'd be more scared if I saw an A, K or Q on the flop. Sure you can be beat, but you can't play poker like that. On this flop someone with A-10 is going to shove, sometimes with any 10 at this buy-in. Call and take your chances. Over the long run it's the winning play.
    Edited By: finewhine Aug 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 AM
    Reason: left out a sentence
  6. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Aug 2nd, 2010 (8/2/2010 12:51pm) in reply to gemi9

     
    Originally Posted by gemi9 View Post

    Yeah but usually in these lower buy-in tourneys they get excited when they have the nuts. They don't know how to bet for value. That what scares me on this type of flop.

    His raise IS for value...with his stack, that's the only play he has left. It's not like that's an overshove; it's about a pot-sized raise.
     
  7. gemi9 gemi9 is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 10:14pm) in reply to grapsfan

    CONTE NAIKA raises to 13,515
    kballero has 15 seconds left to act
    kballero folds
    gemi9 raises to 18,956, and is all in
    CONTE NAIKA calls 5,441
    gemi9 shows [Jd Js]
    CONTE NAIKA shows [Th 9c]
    *** TURN *** [Tc 4s 9h] [6c]
    *** RIVER *** [Tc 4s 9h 6c] [3d]
    gemi9 shows a pair of Jacks
    CONTE NAIKA shows two pair, Tens and Nines
    CONTE NAIKA wins the pot (42,427) with two pair, Tens and Nines
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 42,427 | Rake 0
    Board: [Tc 4s 9h 6c 3d]
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  8. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 11:41pm) in reply to gemi9

    Well, obviously that's what happened, because you probably wouldn't have posted otherwise. T9 was in his range...as was AT, KT, QT, JT, QJ, 87, A9 (if he's putting you on a c-bet with air), etc. You can't beat yourself up over it.
     
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 12:30pm) in reply to grapsfan

    In this kind of tourney, he probably is semibluffing with some type of str8 draw or has A10. If you're going to call his reraise, you really shouldn't be folding to a flop like this. If he has AA, KK, QQ, or a set, then you are unfortunate, but it is a two dollar tourney and people usually aren't that good and will push with worse than you think. Positive EV in my opinion to call.
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