posting this because was talking with some friends about the hand afterwards and they said they would have played it diffrently (if i had folded his all in river bet im still with good stack size at the table at 4th)

This was the final table and my read on the guy was me and him were on the same table for a good while, and the whole hand felt fishy as hell to me, he called my preflo and flop raises and then on the turn when i decide to check he raises me when a 2 drops?, then pushes all in when a 4 on the river drops, he show bluffed me a couple hands early on and I felt for sure he was on one of 3 hands A-8 or A-9 or A-J(and i had him slim on this hand) and that he had called the flop on a gut shot chase, nothing else made sense to me., i felt if he had A-10 or better he would have shoved, as he did a couple times before, same thing with pocket pairs, i saw him shove a couple times with pocket 2's and pocket 4's, so i went with my gut

pokerstars Game #42598748124: Tournament #261214076, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXII (7000/14000) - 2010/04/13 5:37:22 MT [2010/04/13 7:37:22 ET]
Table '261214076 74' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: LIAMSOL (142898 in chips)
Seat 2: ladda (437396 in chips)
Seat 3: kennyjw (125231 in chips)
Seat 4: blauwi (209913 in chips)
Seat 5: Queeqeg (196602 in chips)
Seat 6: PlainsWalker (387960 in chips)
LIAMSOL: posts the ante 1750
ladda: posts the ante 1750
kennyjw: posts the ante 1750
blauwi: posts the ante 1750
Queeqeg: posts the ante 1750
PlainsWalker: posts the ante 1750
kennyjw: posts small blind 7000
blauwi: posts big blind 14000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PlainsWalker [Ah Ks]
Queeqeg: folds
PlainsWalker: raises 42000 to 56000
LIAMSOL: folds
ladda: calls 56000
kennyjw: folds
blauwi: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Th 7s]
PlainsWalker: bets 70000
ladda: calls 70000
*** TURN *** [6h Th 7s] [2c]
PlainsWalker: checks
ladda: bets 98000
PlainsWalker: calls 98000
*** RIVER *** [6h Th 7s 2c] [4c]
PlainsWalker: checks
ladda: bets 211646 and is all-in
PlainsWalker: calls 162210 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (49436) returned to ladda
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ladda: shows [As 8s] (high card Ace)
PlainsWalker: shows [Ah Ks] (high card Ace - King kicker)
PlainsWalker collected 803920 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 803920 | Rake 0
Board [6h Th 7s 2c 4c]
Seat 1: LIAMSOL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ladda (button) showed [As 8s] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: kennyjw (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: blauwi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Queeqeg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PlainsWalker showed [Ah Ks] and won (803920) with high card Ace

i ended up winning the tourney and it was cause of this hand that i did so

I would have raised less preflop, not sure why such a MASSIVE raise and folded to his turn bet. Calling all your chips with AK high, not for me.

I like it as a poker play. Villain would likely check behind the turn with any piece of the flop or a good pp. Villain should have your type of hand pegged pretty well, so he can pot control OTT assuming you would be more likely to bluff the river with AK than check/call for value. So when villain bets turn/shoves river there is a decent chance he's on a missed draw (or pure air). I think it is a solid call based upon your reads.

I really would love to see the reaction of the board if you didn't post results off the bat. It is easy to praise a hero call that works, but I'm guessing a lot of posters (me included) might have been horrified by the thought of calling this shove with AK without the result in the initial post.

As for a FT play, I defer to the experts on ICM to determine if this play is bad, or even if ICM should be a part of your thought process. You and villain are chip leaders and there are a number of smaller stacks between 10-20bbs. Once you check/call the turn you are doing so with the intention to check/call an all-in on most rivers, if you assume he's going to shove the river (which I'm guessing you did). This is a risky battle and I don't know how often you have to be right for this to be a profitable play.

Oh and congrats on the score, of course.

given ur huge raise pre i dont think A8 or A9 will even be in his range very often which is basically all that you mayyyyyybe beat here that he can play this way. He cant even have Axhh since you have the Ah. You are basically praying for like JQhh which he prolly plays more aggro anyway with the 2 overs and flush draw. I think you were just super lucky to be right here and theres just no way this is profitable long run.

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

given ur huge raise pre i dont think A8 or A9 will even be in his range very often which is basically all that you mayyyyyybe beat here that he can play this way. He cant even have Axhh since you have the Ah. You are basically praying for like JQhh which he prolly plays more aggro anyway with the 2 overs and flush draw. I think you were just super lucky to be right here and theres just no way this is profitable long run.

I agree with some of this. Obviously, villain having a8 or a9 in his range is absolutely insane but, meh, it is an 8 dollar tourney. However there is some method to OP's decisions here at work beyond "super luck".

I think that OP's huge open, combined with the fact that OP and villain are big chip leaders, means that villain's flatting range is actually wider than it would ordinarily be and includes more hands that OP can beat than just JQhh. I can see villain trying to get it in pre-flop with AA-QQ and probably AK, but the big open may have scared villain into flatting the rest of his value range, which would include hands like AQ, AJ, KQ and KJ, as well as pps with value, and I guess if villain's loose, some scs.

Once OP checks this turn, I think the only hands that villain bets are monsters (basically sets, perhaps AT, 67 and JJ) and air/draws. I think villain checks behind any other ten hand, any pp lower than ten and any other piece of the board that got this far. This board completes so few value hands. However, because of the potentially large flatting range of villain there are plenty of floats left in villain's range OTT that OP beats, and nothing changes on the river.

Frankly, it is tough to know what goes on in the mind of a villain who plays 22, 44 and A8 like they are the nuts, according to OP. I'm not sure if villains like this even have a thought process beyond "suited aces are pretty" and "I wanna win this pot". And, again, I don't know if this was a good idea to pull this off at the FT with the 4 remaining stacks, though I have no idea about the pay jumps at this level. I just think OP read the situation well and put the hand together pretty logically when he clicked call on the river, rather than just used some of that "super luck".