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Oh the ironing of the title now since this new info just came to light
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Originally Posted by GRIMYOAF
Oh the ironing of the title now since this new info just came to light
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Joined: Jun 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 2:44pm) in reply to JohnnyBax
Lolz, why is that such a stupid statement? It could be very profitable for your organization... I wouldn't put it past ya, seems that this isn't your first horse getting caught for crazy shadyness. Just sayin, just a theory of mine. Good thing this will never affect me because I doubt I will ever play at that level!Originally Posted by JohnnyBax
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I think the horse is dead, the flies have left! Screw you all!
Just a thought, I think the whole Bax/Sheets monopopy is one big f'n scam of all the higher stakes! Luckily I don't play that high or I would be pissed! One big network of AIM chatterboxes all helping eachother during tournaments by cardsharing, not necessarily dumping, but you get the drift! That many horses, pretty sure they have 15-20 person conf calls while playing in every 109r and higher! Just a disgrace to the name of poker IMO.
Shelter Out!
Shelter,
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending?
Bax
I met you in Aruba 2006, you were definately a stand up guy at that point. I am sure you are still such, but I just have a really disgusting feeling about the Bax/Sheets backing machine. It is bigger than the Kentucky Derby. -
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Joined: Feb 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 2:51pm) in reply to JohnnyBax
Can you really expect the average player to not at least have some sort of thoughts or suspicions relating to the possibility of a somewhat monopolized high stakes?
When we constantly hear about the number of horses in any given MTT, and people chatting on AIM, sharingrategies, HH's, etc ... it does make one wonder.
I second Shelter's comments ... not that everyone does it but under no circumstances will I ever believe that all horses under any one stable are completely and purely innocent of any type of violation of T&C's. Definitely casts a questionable cloud of online poker, at least for me ... and you may take offense to this, but people like me are the reason your stables profit long-run so some type of damage control might be in your best interest.... otherwise I'll be taking less shots b/c my "perception" has been changed by this entire situation. -
just when you thought you were out, they pull you back in
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Joined: Aug 05May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 2:56pm) in reply to nala314
^^^^^this^^^^ Also, anyone else expect more than a put down oneliner from sir bax?Originally Posted by nala314
Can you really expect the average player to not at least have some sort of thoughts or suspicions relating to the possibility of a somewhat monopolized high stakes?
When we constantly hear about the number of horses in any given MTT, and people chatting on AIM, sharingrategies, HH's, etc ... it does make one wonder.
I second Shelter's comments ... not that everyone does it but under no circumstances will I ever believe that all horses under any one stable are completely and purely innocent of any type of violation of T&C's. Definitely casts a questionable cloud of online poker, at least for me ... and you may take offense to this, but people like me are the reason your stables profit long-run so some type of damage control might be in your best interest.... otherwise I'll be taking less shots b/c my "perception" has been changed by this entire situation. -
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Joined: May 05May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 2:56pm) in reply to nala314
Joe Torre wasn't to blame for Manny using Steroids was he? Nope...So if you don't know sheets or beex keep your uneducated opinions to yourselves.Originally Posted by nala314
Can you really expect the average player to not at least have some sort of thoughts or suspicions relating to the possibility of a somewhat monopolized high stakes?
When we constantly hear about the number of horses in any given MTT, and people chatting on AIM, sharingrategies, HH's, etc ... it does make one wonder.
I second Shelter's comments ... not that everyone does it but under no circumstances will I ever believe that all horses under any one stable are completely and purely innocent of any type of violation of T&C's. Definitely casts a questionable cloud of online poker, at least for me ... and you may take offense to this, but people like me are the reason your stables profit long-run so some type of damage control might be in your best interest.... otherwise I'll be taking less shots b/c my "perception" has been changed by this entire situation. -
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Joined: Jul 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 2:56pm) in reply to nala314
You just have to realize that some random is calling out TWO of the most Legitimate/trusted people in online poker history with a whacky accusation that makes absolutely no sense.Originally Posted by nala314
Can you really expect the average player to not at least have some sort of thoughts or suspicions relating to the possibility of a somewhat monopolized high stakes?
When we constantly hear about the number of horses in any given MTT, and people chatting on AIM, sharingrategies, HH's, etc ... it does make one wonder.
I second Shelter's comments ... not that everyone does it but under no circumstances will I ever believe that all horses under any one stable are completely and purely innocent of any type of violation of T&C's. Definitely casts a questionable cloud of online poker, at least for me ... and you may take offense to this, but people like me are the reason your stables profit long-run so some type of damage control might be in your best interest.... otherwise I'll be taking less shots b/c my "perception" has been changed by this entire situation. -
C'mon be serious.
Originally Posted by nala314
Can you really expect the average player to not at least have some sort of thoughts or suspicions relating to the possibility of a somewhat monopolized high stakes?
When we constantly hear about the number of horses in any given MTT, and people chatting on AIM, sharingrategies, HH's, etc ... it does make one wonder.
I second Shelter's comments ... not that everyone does it but under no circumstances will I ever believe that all horses under any one stable are completely and purely innocent of any type of violation of T&C's. Definitely casts a questionable cloud of online poker, at least for me ... and you may take offense to this, but people like me are the reason your stables profit long-run so some type of damage control might be in your best interest.... otherwise I'll be taking less shots b/c my "perception" has been changed by this entire situation.
Staking has always been a big part of poker.
Bax and Sheets are two shrewd businessmen who invest in the brightest minds in the game. Nothing less, nothing more.
My limited personal experience with them over the years has been that they are two standup guys. They want to make money, but do so within the confines of the rules. I would assume that they are as upset as anybody over all this. -
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Joined: Apr 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 3:04pm) in reply to rock3656
It's funny how this conversation is turning, but without totaling getting off the fact that wretchy and his "brothers" and "girlfriends" probably have had 30 accounts I will say...
It would be extremely ignorant and naive to say that there has never been shady dealings inside of the sheets/bax stable. It is an absolute certainty that "particular" individuals, in certain situations, share hole cards, soft play, chip dump, etc. -
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Joined: Jun 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 3:05pm) in reply to rock3656
You know what, I hope my little theory is incorrect, it was just a thought in my head for a few months and I just kind of let it slip out! I am not calling anyone out, it is none of my business to begin with, I am done with this thread!
I apologize for stepping out of line and I have entirely 0 facts to back up one ounce of my thought (not accusation)!
I will go back to my place at the back of the line! -
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Joined: Aug 05May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 3:10pm) in reply to Diggity D
I would think this is true of all high stakes online MTTs. I further would believe that being part of this sheets/bax thing would tend to make you run more legit rather than less.Originally Posted by Diggity D
It's funny how this conversation is turning, but without totaling getting off the fact that wretchy and his "brothers" and "girlfriends" probably have had 30 accounts I will say...
It would be extremely ignorant and naive to say that there has never been shady dealings inside of the sheets/bax stable. It is an absolute certainty that "particular" individuals, in certain situations, share hole cards, soft play, chip dump, etc. -
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Joined: Jan 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 3:14pm) in reply to poncho veelo
im pretty sure thats his brother kurtOriginally Posted by poncho veelo
So I wonder if PS lay the lifeban on him now. Looks like 3 strike rule in effect. Everyone knows you can't play MTTs on another persons account.Originally Posted by cheddah
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/EnvyOriginally Posted by Diggity D
Care to explain why you were playing on this 3rd account Wretchy?
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...638500#1638500
How many more accounts do you have/play on? -
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Joined: Feb 07May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 3:15pm) in reply to rock3656
Guys..lets stay on topic here. At no point did it ever cross my mind that sheets / bax is in the know or supports anything that violates stars / tilts tos. Between their online training ventures and their stable plus their own play, those guys will quit poker soon and never have to work again. just like fergueson and lederer, these guys learned the most profitable part of poker is to find a way to make money off it w/o actually having to play...I mean, if you think about it, its really sick. They start a training site, and then get the best players in the game to come contribute there. They then make money off their horses in two ways: 1) They back their horses and 2 ) they sell their horses style of play to the masses. The masses then devour it like they haven't eaten in weeks, and everyone starts to play the same. Meanwhile, the stable adjusts to stay a step ahead of the masses, because shyt, it is them who taught the masses in the first place. I see this all the time now when guys shove super light from the blinds just because they saw it happen in a video, yet they don't understand why the move was applied, so they do it in all the wrong situations.
In any event, the machine is so large and profitable on its own, there is no incentive for bax / sheets to allow or support anything other than legit solid play. However, that is not to say that several of the stable are not friends, and as such, I do believe individuals within the stable might have an incentive to soft play / chip dump / share hole cards or give advice on how to play a hand or an opp to help each other get out of makeup and avoid being dropped by the machine. This would give them an advantage w/o anyone noticing any soft play or chip dumping..and if you have enough "friends" at the table, this advantage could grow to be huge. I respect what Bax and Sheets have done, but I am scared by the whole size of the thing and their ability to be able to manage what their players are doing at the same time.
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As someone who has played for Sheets/Bax in the past AFAIK there is no validity to ANY of your thoughts, claims, etc. Beyond the fact that they dont encourage any type of foul play, from a logical standpoint your fictitious claims would be way to high risk vs. reward for the amount they have at stake with the sites.
Originally Posted by Run 4 Shelter
You know what, I hope my little theory is incorrect, it was just a thought in my head for a few months and I just kind of let it slip out! I am not calling anyone out, it is none of my business to begin with, I am done with this thread!
I apologize for stepping out of line and I have entirely 0 facts to back up one ounce of my thought (not accusation)!
I will go back to my place at the back of the line!
It is my opinion (Just an opinion, I do not know for sure) that this isn't the first time Sheets/Bax heard about the account 'WhatsLogic' ... It is likely that they were aware of the account, but if so I have no doubt that they told Wretchy to kill the account. (This may explain the long period of inactivity on WL). -
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Joined: Jun 07May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:15pm) in reply to STAKKLR
i love how these sites give out punishments.
a friend of mine had 8k on ap and 8k on bigchippoker same network back then. he wanted his 8k on his bigchip name to be on his ap name so he went to cash table to dump the money while no 1 was on table but him and then later on ap bans him collects all the money away. around 16k. also the ban was for life. this procces took all but 10 mins. i understand wat he did was wrong and so does he but something like this should be banned for 3 months not life. but u get a guy to admit to cheating even tho the site don't see it that way and only banned for 3 months wtf? -
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Joined: Aug 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:25pm) in reply to R_Webb18
Ive done thisOriginally Posted by R_Webb18
i love how these sites give out punishments.
a friend of mine had 8k on ap and 8k on bigchippoker same network back then. he wanted his 8k on his bigchip name to be on his ap name so he went to cash table to dump the money while no 1 was on table but him and then later on ap bans him collects all the money away. around 16k. also the ban was for life. this procces took all but 10 mins. i understand wat he did was wrong and so does he but something like this should be banned for 3 months not life. but u get a guy to admit to cheating even tho the site don't see it that way and only banned for 3 months wtf? -
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Joined: Jan 09May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:46pm) in reply to snaggs
considering this all started from a botchd chop that wretchy sooo badly needed a cpl extra k...wouldnt u have rather saved the headache of this shit and sold one of ur dozens of 1k sweaters
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so how many accounts does he have now 3,4,5? I'm losing track
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Joined: Oct 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 7:25pm) in reply to datantchowda
1k sweaters?Originally Posted by datantchowda
considering this all started from a botchd chop that wretchy sooo badly needed a cpl extra k...wouldnt u have rather saved the headache of this shit and sold one of ur dozens of 1k sweaters
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Joined: Oct 06May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 7:39pm) in reply to Dead Money Dom
P5s multi accounter?Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom
please post from your real account.Originally Posted by datantchowda
considering this all started from a botchd chop that wretchy sooo badly needed a cpl extra k...wouldnt u have rather saved the headache of this shit and sold one of ur dozens of 1k sweaters
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Joined: Apr 08May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 7:47pm) in reply to DoubleS00ted
check his 4 posts. obv.Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted
P5s multi accounter?Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom
please post from your real account.Originally Posted by datantchowda
considering this all started from a botchd chop that wretchy sooo badly needed a cpl extra k...wouldnt u have rather saved the headache of this shit and sold one of ur dozens of 1k sweaters
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online cheating should be like the NBA and steroids.............1 year ban first offense, lifetime ban second.
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