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  1. t0mb0 t0mb0 is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2006 (3/13/2006 12:36pm)

    pokerstars Game #4274494139: Tournament #21184459, Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (10000/20000) - 2006/03/13 - 13:21:16 (ET)
    Table '21184459 18' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: viggyvargs (142432 in chips)
    Seat 3: The_Gamester (312121 in chips)
    Seat 4: t0mB0 (328878 in chips)
    Seat 5: Freemanwins (367174 in chips)
    Seat 7: 0lis (387431 in chips)
    Seat 8: L.O.G.I.C.O (131264 in chips)
    Seat 9: ChronicTime (548700 in chips)
    viggyvargs: posts the ante 1000
    The_Gamester: posts the ante 1000
    t0mB0: posts the ante 1000
    Freemanwins: posts the ante 1000
    0lis: posts the ante 1000
    L.O.G.I.C.O: posts the ante 1000
    ChronicTime: posts the ante 1000
    t0mB0: posts small blind 10000
    Freemanwins: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to t0mB0 [Th Ad]
    0lis: folds
    L.O.G.I.C.O: folds
    Freemanwins said, "damn shoulda called"
    ChronicTime: raises 40000 to 60000
    viggyvargs: folds
    The_Gamester: folds
    Freemanwins said, "king queen"
    t0mB0: raises 140000 to 200000
    The_Gamester said, "shoulda called????"
    Freemanwins: folds
    Freemanwins said, "just kidding"
    ChronicTime: raises 347700 to 547700 and is all-in
    t0mB0: calls 127878 and is all-in
    The_Gamester said, "ok :)"
    Freemanwins said, "he had hooks"
    *** FLOP *** [9c Qd 2c]
    *** TURN *** [9c Qd 2c] [7c]
    *** RIVER *** [9c Qd 2c 7c] [5h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    t0mB0: shows [Th Ad] (high card Ace)
    ChronicTime: shows [Kd Qh] (a pair of Queens)
    The_Gamester said, "nh gg"
    ChronicTime said, "gg"
    ChronicTime collected 682756 from pot
  2. fruitypro fruitypro is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2006 (3/13/2006 5:20pm) in reply to t0mb0

    I am guessing this must be deep into a tournament? Personally I would have passed pre flop.

    I wouldnt want to be getting involved in this hand with AT against the raising chip leader. You have called his all-in after your re-raise, so if you decide that you want to play the hand, why not go allin first yourself? That way you have slightly more fold equity.
  3. Tim Lock Tim Lock is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 2:17am) in reply to t0mb0

    I think if you're gonna play this hand at all, you move all in on his raise. This gives you the best chance to call him out on his steal (make him fold). Depending on how you've played up to this point, he would have to have a really good hand to call your all in, and I think a good percentage of the time he would lay his KQ down.

    That being said, you were a favorite, and a majority of the time, you'll win this showdown. Take comfort in that fact. The odds only make sense if you play them every time. This is one of those times where you didn't win... but playing well is all that really matters.

    Tim Lock
  4. Gabovitch Gabovitch is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 10:11am) in reply to Tim Lock

    You couldn't fold at the end obviously, but you need to think about what you are doing preflop. A guy raised in early position and you reraised him with A10 from the small blind? With 7 people left the table is a little short handed but I don't think its shorthanded enough to make this play make much sense. I would much prefer either a call or just a fold.
  5. Gabovitch Gabovitch is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 10:20am) in reply to Gabovitch

    In addition, its shaky strategy. If you were one of the shortstacks and suspected this guy was not very strong, I wouldn't have a problem with this play, but you are basically tied for 2nd in chips with a couple of other guys. If I'm going to put all of my money in preflop in this spot, I want to do it with a stronger hand. You don't need to take a huge risk here, yet you decided to anyway. That makes reraising a bad option since you had to comitt yourself. I don't like calling either because you will would have to play the hand out of position and you might invite the bb to either come into the pot or come over top and try to steal it. You would have done better to just fold and move to the next hand.
  6. TomEnny TomEnny is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 12:00pm) in reply to Gabovitch

    I just fold preflop.
  7. MetalGod MetalGod is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 12:28pm) in reply to t0mb0

    You're out of position here...the choice is either all in or fold. If you think you have the best hand, all in...if not, fold. Reraising 2/3rds of your stack here is not a good idea. Looks more like you were trying to play A-10 as if it were AA or KK. Can't say whether the hand would have played out differently if you push all in...maybe he folds considering it is 2/3rds of his stack that he'd be calling off with KQ. He could also be stubborn, still make this call as a 3 to 2 dog and outdraw you. As mentioned before, you will win this showdown most of the time. That's poker for ya.
  8. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 6:58pm) in reply to t0mb0

    AT is so gay, hate that hand, above and most people would say just lay it preflop, easiest decision although not sure what KQ is ahead of when he comes back over the top of you and knows youre calling...
     
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