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WSOP main event do you call off utg xhove with AK here?

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  1. OMAHA_BURKE OMAHA_BURKE is offline wants to see a flatter payout structure in MTTs

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 7:47am)

    2009 WSOP main event 400-800/100. half the field left. You have 28,000 with m=13.33 Average stack is about 61,000 Tight player utg with m=10 shoves allin for 21,000 when standard raise had been 2400. You are utg +1 with AKoff. Do you fold or shove yourself. What is the likely range for utg? Thoughts. My 1500 WSOP AK pot limit thread seemed so enlightening, I thought I would add this one too.
  2. HTBJabroni64 HTBJabroni64 is offline Banned

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 8:06am) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

    fold and cry, fold and cry.. put him on a high pocket pair.
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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 8:17am) in reply to HTBJabroni64

    pretty disappointing turnout to the 2009 wsop ME , start with 20k in chips and avg stack at the final table is 61k
    Edited By: okse54 Jun 6th, 2010 at 08:18 AM
     
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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 3:26pm) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    pretty disappointing turnout to the 2009 wsop ME , start with 20k in chips and avg stack at the final table is 61k

    I guess some people just dont comprehend to well when they read. I am pretty sure the starting stack is 30K and if they were half way thru the field then yes average would be 60Kish. Regardless of the size of the field. He never said anything about final table. I would prolly fold in this spot with so many behind me.
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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 3:51pm) in reply to gamble153

    Online small stakes tourney I snap shove behind him but due to magnitude and field size of this tourney I would fold but I would tank for a sec.
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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 4:13pm) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

    seems like a super easy fold to me? i doubt he has aq or worse very often here.
     
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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 4:20pm) in reply to gamble153

     
    Originally Posted by gamble153 View Post

    I guess some people just dont comprehend to well when they read. I am pretty sure the starting stack is 30K and if they were half way thru the field then yes average would be 60Kish. Regardless of the size of the field. He never said anything about final table. I would prolly fold in this spot with so many behind me.

    sigh, i fail at life
     
  8. OMAHA_BURKE OMAHA_BURKE is offline wants to see a flatter payout structure in MTTs

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 3:54am) in reply to sandler1860

    You guys got this one right. Easy fold. A tight player's range in this utg shove is TT-AA or AK at worst. So AKo is only 37% equity vs that range.

    By the way, the tight player was me. The utg+1 guy was a tight young northern european player who shoved of course as that is all anyone under 25 knows how to do with AK. He then proudly turned it over 1st as if it was the stone cold nuts. I turned over my QQ. Don't worry, he flops a king to bust me and the world's unluckiest player walks away again.
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 5:27am) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

    The day you decide to start looking at yourself as lucky things will change.
     
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 5:39am) in reply to cracker9ball

     
    Originally Posted by cracker9ball View Post

    The day you decide to start looking at yourself as lucky things will change.

    lol.
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 5:45am) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

     
    Originally Posted by OMAHA_BURKE View Post

    You guys got this one right. Easy fold. A tight player's range in this utg shove is TT-AA or AK at worst. So AKo is only 37% equity vs that range.

    By the way, the tight player was me. The utg+1 guy was a tight young northern european player who shoved of course as that is all anyone under 25 knows how to do with AK. He then proudly turned it over 1st as if it was the stone cold nuts. I turned over my QQ. Don't worry, he flops a king to bust me and the world's unluckiest player walks away again.

    Why did you open shove QQ here?
     
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 6:22am) in reply to mdshack14

    zomg im so tight. i have 22k at 400-800. im so tight. zomg QQ!!! hmmm raise? nah SHOOOOOVEEEE
    zomg i lose a coinflip!!!!!
    zomg i so unrucky
     
  13. TiltinShoes TiltinShoes is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 6:25am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    Def folding here.
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 6:30am) in reply to TiltinShoes

    Lol @ this thread
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 7:04am) in reply to snowman2k6

    ur shove is retarded obv.
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:21am) in reply to Deoxyribo

     
    Originally Posted by Deoxyribo View Post

    zomg im so tight. i have 22k at 400-800. im so tight. zomg QQ!!! hmmm raise? nah SHOOOOOVEEEE
    zomg i lose a coinflip!!!!!
    zomg i so unrucky

    hahahahahahaha what i was thinking
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 1:57pm) in reply to MastaP89

    Can't WAIT for WSOP. YES YES
     
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 4:27pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

     
    Originally Posted by Deoxyribo View Post

    zomg im so tight. i have 22k at 400-800. im so tight. zomg QQ!!! hmmm raise? nah SHOOOOOVEEEE
    zomg i lose a coinflip!!!!!
    zomg i so unrucky

    hahah so true
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 4:33pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    Least you're not bitter
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 6:12pm) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

     
    Originally Posted by OMAHA_BURKE View Post

    You guys got this one right. Easy fold. A tight player's range in this utg shove is TT-AA or AK at worst. So AKo is only 37% equity vs that range.

    By the way, the tight player was me. The utg+1 guy was a tight young northern european player who shoved of course as that is all anyone under 25 knows how to do with AK. He then proudly turned it over 1st as if it was the stone cold nuts. I turned over my QQ. Don't worry, he flops a king to bust me and the world's unluckiest player walks away again.

    sfhud

    He flipped over AK because it's an easy call there against most people. If you are shoving TT+ AQs and AK there he is 43.577%, and that's assuming you are merging KK and AA in such a field as the Main Event and never shoving AQo. Accounting for the (apparently very small) possibility that you aren't always shoving KK and AA, you may be shoving some AQo, your actual range is slightly wider and may even include something like 99 or AJs even sometimes, and you might just be tooling out for whatever reason, it ends up being a call. And that is against a "tight" player imo (but apparently not as tight as you...are you honestly just mucking AQs here?). The chance that you are "too" tight is probably overcompensated by the chance that you are just some maniac or just have a range that is slightly wider than he thinks. I mean, a lot of people might be jamming 66 there these days, so him giving you some credit for not being a nit after the maybe 50 hands he might have played with you isn't out of line by any means.

    It must really suck knowing you are a better player than everyone but just run worse than everyone else.
     
  21. joeschmo joeschmo is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 7:34pm) in reply to JoeDeertay

    Did this hand happen in the 2009 WSOP or 2010? Confused
  22. Glo4m Glo4m is offline Confess to me

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 9:27pm) in reply to joeschmo

    i think a better topic for this thread would be who played their hand worse, you or him?
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