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blinds 100-200 button 4340, sb 10,800, bb 13,000
no real reads as i haven't been on table for more than an orbit, about 400 runners still over 300 left, 18 WSOP seats awarded
Folded me on the button with QQ stack of 4340.
i raise to 600
sb calls
bb folds
FLOP: KJ7 rainbow
sb checks
i check
TURN K (board KJ7K rainbow)
sb checks
i bet 800
sb raises to 1800
me?......
been some debate on what is the best play here, would like input to settle debate and possible wager. please answer with a fold, call, or shove and go on to explain if you wish. ty. -
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for what reason?
Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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bump.. money now on the line
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Joined: Dec 06Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 3:55pm) in reply to paidchex
I like to bet this hand on the flop also. If he has the K he'll usually let you know and you save money in the long run.
In this instnace people really get bold with 2nd pair (the J) because they think the 2nd K on board makes it impossible for anyone to beat AJ. If I read correctly you have already risked 1400 of your 4300 so if you fold here you have under 15 bb's left, so I think you have to ask yourself, is THIS a better spot to shove, or should you wait and shove preflop somewhere with no info. With that in mind here I shove and watch him table AJ. -
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horrid
Originally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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Joined: Aug 08Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:02pm) in reply to Appst08
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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lol
Originally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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with 300 runners left paying 18 I'm shoving
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Joined: Dec 08Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:10pm) in reply to paidchex
I think your line will generate a raise from many non-king hands here. Check the flop, then but the turn when the king pairs - most of the time you don't have one. I probably get it in.
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Joined: Jul 07Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:11pm) in reply to paidchex
Easy jam... But im a donkey so who knows
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W/O reads I fold. His raise sizing makes me wonder what we can beat here. Such a small raise is usually done for value and wants to be shoved over. Meh... kinda tough spot.Originally Posted by paidchex
blinds 100-200 button 4340, sb 10,800, bb 13,000
no real reads as i haven't been on table for more than an orbit, about 400 runners still over 300 left, 18 WSOP seats awarded
Folded me on the button with QQ stack of 4340.
i raise to 600
sb calls
bb folds
FLOP: KJ7 rainbow
sb checks
i check
TURN K (board KJ7K rainbow)
sb checks
i bet 800
sb raises to 1800
me?......
been some debate on what is the best play here, would like input to settle debate and possible wager. please answer with a fold, call, or shove and go on to explain if you wish. ty. -
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Joined: Aug 08Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:13pm) in reply to Appst08
really lol?Originally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
You should either be betting for value or to make better hands fold. But to bet for information is a major leak and pure spew. -
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Joined: Aug 08Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:16pm) in reply to bluffslv
QQ is really under repped in this spot and thats the main factor in this hand.
It all comes down on to specific reads but Im probably shoving after the 2nd king hit -
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Joined: Feb 08Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:16pm) in reply to paidchex
Your small-ish bet makes it look like you are trying to steal so A7 or AJ are very possible hands here. I shove here hoping he doesn't have 77 or JJ.
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lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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this is dumb, bet the fking flop and take down the pot the majority of the time. the info is exactly what you said in your second sentence. or atleast what i meant by it
Originally Posted by m0ss
really lol?Originally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
You should either be betting for value or to make better hands fold. But to bet for information is a major leak and pure spew. -
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Joined: Feb 07Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:20pm) in reply to Appst08
Because you didn't bet the flop, I'm pretty sure you have to stack off on the turn.
Shove for value. -
my "info" was taking the wrong way, like i said in previous quote, just c-bet the damn flop and take it down
Originally Posted by wavegoodbye
lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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Joined: Oct 06Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 5:00pm) in reply to Appst08
' no, do not bet the flop, especially not in a turbo live sng, and lol@betting for information plz stop giving advice imoOriginally Posted by Appst08
my "info" was taking the wrong way, like i said in previous quote, just c-bet the damn flop and take it downOriginally Posted by wavegoodbye
lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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Joined: Sep 06Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 5:24pm) in reply to driftdc5
Call....u are also calling the river in an attempt to pick off bluffs.
Ur hand is very unrepersented and villain has a big stack. I probably tank call to get player to bet river with AJ or worse. -
info was misunderstood i retract that statement and agree it was wrong to say, but not betting flop is bad imo. against a big stack that flatted the bb from a button raise. whatever gl to everyone, gl in your satty's to wsop, gl in mtt's, cash, sng's, whatever you play, this is absurd.
Originally Posted by driftdc5
' no, do not bet the flop, especially not in a turbo live sng, and lol@betting for information plz stop giving advice imoOriginally Posted by Appst08
my "info" was taking the wrong way, like i said in previous quote, just c-bet the damn flop and take it downOriginally Posted by wavegoodbye
lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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you have 4400 chips at 100/200. after raising pre, you are going to bet/fold 1/4 of your stack off "for informaton"? no sir, your advice is absurd. keep the pot small when you do not know where you are at, cbetting 1/4 of your stack and then folding later on in the hand is lolable. if we were deeper, the hand would play different.Originally Posted by Appst08
info was misunderstood i retract that statement and agree it was wrong to say, but not betting flop is bad imo. against a big stack that flatted the bb from a button raise. whatever gl to everyone, gl in your satty's to wsop, gl in mtt's, cash, sng's, whatever you play, this is absurd.Originally Posted by driftdc5
' no, do not bet the flop, especially not in a turbo live sng, and lol@betting for information plz stop giving advice imoOriginally Posted by Appst08
my "info" was taking the wrong way, like i said in previous quote, just c-bet the damn flop and take it downOriginally Posted by wavegoodbye
lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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I am trying to read each post in my head but can't hear my thoughts over all the mouth breathing itt.
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i didn't mean bet for info, im sorry, i just said i retract that and that was wrong. Jam pre if your folding/checking down on a king high board. dude your a thinkin player and i respect your opinion, i may not be as successful as you, but i am successful at this game and I just believe we both play this hand complete opposite from eachother. gl in the future ,all the success to u.
Originally Posted by driftdc5
you have 4400 chips at 100/200. after raising pre, you are going to bet/fold 1/4 of your stack off "for informaton"? no sir, your advice is absurd. keep the pot small when you do not know where you are at, cbetting 1/4 of your stack and then folding later on in the hand is lolable. if we were deeper, the hand would play different.Originally Posted by Appst08
info was misunderstood i retract that statement and agree it was wrong to say, but not betting flop is bad imo. against a big stack that flatted the bb from a button raise. whatever gl to everyone, gl in your satty's to wsop, gl in mtt's, cash, sng's, whatever you play, this is absurd.Originally Posted by driftdc5
' no, do not bet the flop, especially not in a turbo live sng, and lol@betting for information plz stop giving advice imoOriginally Posted by Appst08
my "info" was taking the wrong way, like i said in previous quote, just c-bet the damn flop and take it downOriginally Posted by wavegoodbye
lol at your lol and lol at betting for "information", if you want information ring newman and join the postal serviceOriginally Posted by Appst08
lolOriginally Posted by m0ss
you shouldn't be betting for information....maaaajor leakOriginally Posted by Appst08
to gain info and take down the pot, if he flats, there is a certain range you can put him on and you can play accordingly, i just DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHECK THIS FLOP, your only reason is b/c there is a King on board. which is horridOriginally Posted by paidchex
for what reason?Originally Posted by Appst08
bet flop imo
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