c-bet flop obv

since you didn't

fold. you played the hand bad and really have no idea where you're at. why risk more chips.

your only options are to shove or fold the turn here. if you flat it leaves you with less than 50% of your stack and a difficult decision on the river when he pushes.

i'm guessing you shoved and he rolls over AJ and nails A on river?... maybe he nailed another J.

EDIT: apparently everyone is saying not to cbet that flop however I 100% do, prob the same 800ish bet.... sure i might be giving them away but if i check behind and lets say a K hits... then what do i do. oh wait.

Yes you should always bet flop with a way ahead way behind hand that has tons of value yet has trouble getting value from worse. WTF please stop giving horrid advice everyone in this forum. I check back the turn as well for the same reason as checking the flop. Then call river or value bet myself.

Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.

Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove

Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized

appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote

Just to confirm my vote is for calling turn raise and all rivers.

 

Originally Posted by Zota15

Yes you should always bet flop with a way ahead way behind hand that has tons of value yet has trouble getting value from worse. WTF please stop giving horrid advice everyone in this forum. I check back the turn as well for the same reason as checking the flop. Then call river or value bet myself.

this

 

Originally Posted by paidchex

 

Originally Posted by Appst08

 

Originally Posted by paidchex

Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.

Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove

Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized

appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote

as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.

we've already been check raised, so....

fold, call, or raise

one of us really wants your vote to be counted

i fold then, your not beating much if this guy is decent and knows he is committed

 

Originally Posted by Appst08

 

Originally Posted by paidchex

Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.

Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove

Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized

appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote

as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.

OMG THIS. i think both options are fine. most of the time i do actually check behind here myself, but WHY ARE YOU BETTING THE TURN. ughh the reason to not bet the flop is the same on the turn. sigh. sorry that bet on the turn just really tilts me

 

Originally Posted by CzechItDown

 

Originally Posted by paidchex

blinds 100-200 button 4340, sb 10,800, bb 13,000
no real reads as i haven't been on table for more than an orbit, about 400 runners still over 300 left, 18 WSOP seats awarded

Folded me on the button with QQ stack of 4340.
i raise to 600
sb calls
bb folds
FLOP: KJ7 rainbow
sb checks
i check
TURN K (board KJ7K rainbow)
sb checks
i bet 800
sb raises to 1800
me?......

been some debate on what is the best play here, would like input to settle debate and possible wager. please answer with a fold, call, or shove and go on to explain if you wish. ty.

W/O reads I fold. His raise sizing makes me wonder what we can beat here. Such a small raise is usually done for value and wants to be shoved over. Meh... kinda tough spot.

such a small raise is because of his stack size

My thinking during the hand....

I check behind on turn because getting check raised would suck, getting flatted would suck, and taking down a small pot would be meh.

I bet the turn to get value from Jx hands 8s, 9s and Ts, maybe 7x and maybe smaller pairs. When I was check raised, I felt that the bet size was small so the villian could get away if I shoved. If I was to call I would have less than 2k and the pot would have 5k in it. It would seem to the villian that I either had to fold or shove over his checkraise. This thinking allowed me to add a huge amount of non king hands to his range. the only other hands that beat me are 77, JJ and AA all hands that are likely to 3bet me preflop (including a lot of strong King hands).

I elected to shove. What a few people in this thread have said make me think that flatting with the intention of getting it all-in on the river is a better option to pick off bluffs. While I still think that is a great move, I don't think many bluffs are going to pay me off on the river considering the odds I'd be getting, I would have had to had some kind of hand in there eyes to call the turn checkraise. I think that I would get paid off by more hands that I am beating by just shoving the turn and giving somebody good odds on a marginal hand with a small chance to improve on the river.

FWIW given stack sizes and situation I think betting the flop is a bad idea.

Personally i think the best play here is calling n calling the river best way to induce a bluff the rest of the way

"against a big stack"

they are only 21 BB eff. doesn't matter that the other guy has a big stack imo.

 

Originally Posted by nowapowa

"against a big stack"

they are only 21 BB eff. doesn't matter that the other guy has a big stack imo.

i completely fkd this thread and didn't mean "info" the way people thought i did, ditr.. is correct, but like i said I just jam pre if we are folding on a king high board.

and "against a big stack" was meant how light he was calling in the bb, not effective stacks, whatever can't believe this thread came up again.

I apologize and bow down to you greater minds.

I SHOVE PREFLOP...that's my advice, take it or leave it.